Billy Graham has died

[Tortuga]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/billy-graham-99-dies-pastor-filled-stadiums-and-counseled-presidents/ar-BBJpHtx

 

The well known evangelist Billy Graham has died. It will be interesting if we see him again..

[Musky]

In the congregation I grew up in there was a brother who looked exactly like Billy Graham. I used to enjoy going in the door to door work with him and watching the householder's reaction.

[dove]

6 minutes ago, Musky said:

In the congregation I grew up in there was a brother who looked exactly like Billy Graham. I used to enjoy going in the door to door work with him and watching the householder's reaction.

 

Similar to Michael Jackson and Prince?

[Allabord4Jah]

Am wondering this after hearing the news that he passed at 99.  If all these years he never accepted Jehovah as the one and only true God, but taught that Jesus, was the one true God, he loved the limelight with political leaders world wide, he preached hell fire, and going to heaven.  Am not his judge, but wouldn't someone wonder if he would really be resurrected?  What if he is and he will not accept Jehovah then?  I mean, while alive, this man had all the proof that Jehovah is God's personal name.  Who could have mislead him besides Satan.  Were there people with him that tried persuade him to accept the truth?   He swayed people all around the earth but never once did he bring them together, the way Jehovah has organized his people all around the world.  Now he's gone, so would he be considered as an unrighteous person?  I don't know for sure.  Only Jehovah could read that man's heart.  

[Tortuga]

I hope he is resurrected, I'd love to talk to Billy Graham a hundred years from now and see what he says...

[njwinans]

24 minutes ago, Allabord4Jah said:

Am not his judge,

 

I'm with ya, I'm glad I'm not a judge of any sorts... other than dad stuff. 

 

[dove]

He made his own name known, not Jehovah's..

 

Wouldn't he have the same future as all other clergy..?

Edited February 21, 2018 by Dove

[carlos]

24 minutes ago, Dove said:

Wouldn't he have the same future as all other clergy..?

 

We may dislike his actions, but we don't know what was in his heart. Jesus will judge that.

 

One wonderful thing about Jesus is that he won't judge people by categories, but individually, on a one to one basis. He will treat every person as unique and special, evaluating the person's circumstances and showing mercy whenever possible.

 

It seems that even Solomon, who became apostate, will be resurrected, so that means that Jehovah saw something good in his heart despite his deeds.

 

Isn't it great to have such a wonderful counselor as judge?

[Shawnster]

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1 hour ago, Allabord4Jah said:

Am wondering this after hearing the news that he passed at 99.  If all these years he never accepted Jehovah as the one and only true God, but taught that Jesus, was the one true God, he loved the limelight with political leaders world wide, he preached hell fire, and going to heaven.  Am not his judge, but wouldn't someone wonder if he would really be resurrected?  

 

30 minutes ago, Dove said:

He made his own name known, not Jehovah's..

 

Wouldn't he have the same future as all other clergy..?

 

 

 

Yes, he has the same duties as everyone else who doesn't have a relationship with Jehovah - is up to Jehovah to decide. 

 

Of course, the same is true for those who live Jehovah. 

 

There is no automatic, blanket condemnation of Billy Graham, or any other specific individual.  The Bible is clear that certain ones will not be resurrected. Jesus was clear that, as a class, religious blind guides were liable to Gehenna.  However, we cannot state any specific individual was deemed unworthy of a resurrection. Only Jehovah can make that call. 

 

We will have to wait and see. 

 

[Tortuga]

https://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/34839-man-of-lawlessness/

 

This is in the Research section.

[dove]

24 minutes ago, carlos said:

 

We may dislike his actions, but we don't know what was in his heart. Jesus will judge that.

 

One wonderful thing about Jesus is that he won't judge people by categories, but individually, on a one to one basis. He will treat every person as unique and special, evaluating the person's circumstances and showing mercy whenever possible.

 

It seems that even Solomon, who became apostate, will be resurrected, so that means that Jehovah saw something good in his heart despite his deeds.

 

Isn't it great to have such a wonderful counselor as judge?

It has always been my understanding that all unrepentant clergy class were grouped together as being condemned by Jesus when on earth unless there has been a change in that..

[Lance]

Class and individuals are two different things...

Judgement and vengeance belongs entirely with Jehovah and his Son...whether class or individual. 

The danger is we may get some personal satisfaction from condemning someone to a certain judgement... but that is not our privilege or obligation to take...

Jehovah is very plain .. leave it “all” to him, our brain, heart and spirituality can not take it without negative consequences...

 

If it was left to me Manasseh would get more than a little of what he handed out.... glad I have been given no responsibility in anyway for that decision...

Edited February 22, 2018 by Lance

[leoperales]

Even his thoughts on death were in conflict with what the Bible teaches. I just saw a news story where he had previously stated: Someday you will read or hear that Billy Graham is dead. Don’t you believe a word of it. I shall be more alive than I am now. I will just have changed my address. I will have gone into the presence of God.

 

His way of preaching, although noble, still was based on false teachings from Christendom and Babylon the Great. 

 

I woulda like to talk to the the guy too...read his newspaper column a time or two, but he was a staunch teacher of hellfire and the Trinity, and never exalted God’s name. 

Edited February 22, 2018 by leoperales

[Stavro]

24 minutes ago, Dove said:

It has always been my understanding that all unrepentant clergy class were grouped together as being condemned by Jesus when on earth unless there has been a change in that..

 

Unrepentant implies that one had a valid opportunity to repent. Since none of us know the complete extent of Mr. Graham's circumstances, it is impossible for any of us to know if that opportunity was ever presented to him.

[rocket]

I am sure glad Jesus is the Judge because if it were left to us imperfect humans....., well let's just say there would be no need of birth control for a few thousand years in the new world.

[Shawnster]

As a class, the nation of Israel was condemned to captivity in Babylon for 70 years.

 

As a individual of that nation, Jeremiah and Baruch were able to escape the judgement and flee to Egypt.

 

 

[normadenardo]

2 hours ago, carlos said:

 

We may dislike his actions, but we don't know what was in his heart. Jesus will judge that.

 

One wonderful thing about Jesus is that he won't judge people by categories, but individually, on a one to one basis. He will treat every person as unique and special, evaluating the person's circumstances and showing mercy whenever possible.

 

It seems that even Solomon, who became apostate, will be resurrected, so that means that Jehovah saw something good in his heart despite his deeds.

 

Isn't it great to have such a wonderful counselor as judge?

I wish there was a love icon to click on because I love your comment. 

[njwinans]

1 hour ago, Dove said:

It has always been my understanding that all unrepentant clergy class were grouped together as being condemned by Jesus when on earth unless there has been a change in that..

 

When does that judgement take place?  Fall of Babylon?  At Armageddon?

 

Just wondering.  I would say it is during the fall of Babylon and end at Armageddon.

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

Tyre, Sidon, Solomon, Sodom resurrected...?

I leave it all to the Judge!

While we may speculate, I recall a talk where 3 questions will be answered during the resurrection...

1. Oh? So & so made it? (Thought so!)

2. Oh? So & so didn't make it? (Hmm)

3. OH? SO & SO made it? (Didn't see that coming!)

 

The Rock will be right, regardless of what we might speculate. IMO, our job is to get there to find out!!!

 

Older

{still waiting for the 'Wiser'}

 

 

 

 

 

 

[njwinans]

37 minutes ago, TonyWenz said:

1. Oh? So & so made it? (Thought so!)

2. Oh? So & so didn't make it? (Hmm)

3. OH? SO & SO made it? (Didn't see that coming!)

Don't forget #4.

4. Oh? I made it?  Hahaha 

[New World Explorer]

Clergy class: Have greater and heavier responsibility to teach the truth.

 

This is talking about brothers, although there is a good principle there.

 

As to those who have the privilege of teaching God’s Word in the congregations today, Malachi 2:7 should serve as a caution. It says that their lips “should keep knowledge, and the law is what people should seek” from their mouths. Heavy responsibility comes upon such teachers, for James 3:1 indicates that they “shall receive heavier judgment.” W02 5/1

 

Let's wait and see.

 

[GeordieGirl]

7 hours ago, normaclutter said:

I wish there was a love icon to click on because I love your comment. 

I have asked for a heart .. but nothing has been forthcoming. This is as close as you can get:    

[EccentricM]

9 hours ago, TonyWenz said:

I recall a talk where 3 questions will be answered during the resurrection...

1. Oh? So & so made it? (Thought so!)

2. Oh? So & so didn't make it? (Hmm)

3. OH? SO & SO made it? (Didn't see that coming!)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Makes me think of Hitler. He was a foul person to be sure and most assume he inhered everlasting death, and most likely. But part of me also wonders if he would be forgiven if we was perhaps mentally deranged. That if he was truly insane, mentally sick, if God would account his actions as "his own". 

 

Now that would be a shock of a resurrection I'm sure. But most psychotherapists seem to think he was fully capable and responsible for his actions. 

[Shawnster]

10 hours ago, njwinans said:

 

When does that judgement take place?  Fall of Babylon?  At Armageddon?

 

Just wondering.  I would say it is during the fall of Babylon and end at Armageddon.

Babylon fell in 1919. 

 

I think you mean great tribulation 

[Thesauron]

 
Makes me think of Hitler. He was a foul person to be sure and most assume he inhered everlasting death, and most likely. But part of me also wonders if he would be forgiven if we was perhaps mentally deranged. That if he was truly insane, mentally sick, if God would account his actions as "his own". 
 
Now that would be a shock of a resurrection I'm sure. But most psychotherapists seem to think he was fully capable and responsible for his actions. 

He wasn’t kind to us, as much as he understood of who we were, but is that reason enough not to gain a resurrection?