The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[Sofia]

Omicron variant may be a 'live Covid vaccine', claims Vladimir Putin

Some early evidence from South Africa suggests omicron may trigger milder disease than previous variants

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/12/07/omicron-variant-may-live-covid-vaccine-claims-vladimir-putin/

[Amygdala]

Interesting to read about the effects this 26-year old German professional soccer player who caught COVID went through. He sparked controversy because of his concerns about the vaccine and still playing soccer. 

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germany-international-kimmich-grapples-with-covid-lung-issues/a-60078385

 

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Kimmich has been in quarantine for nearly a month after he first came in close contact with someone who tested positive for the coronavirus and then later contracted COVID-19 himself.

The 26-year-old has now tested negative for the virus, but he is still grappling with lingering health effects caused by the infection.

"I'm happy my self-isolation caused by the coronavirus has ended. I'm doing very well, but I'm not yet able to train fully due to slight infiltrations in my lungs," Kimmich said in a statement. "I'll therefore do some rehabilitative training and can't wait to be fully back in action in January."

The term "slight infiltrations" in the lungs indicates that the virus has affected the bronchial tubes or alveoli — where the lungs exchange oxygen and carbon dioxide, intensive care physician Christian Karagiannidis told news agency gpa.

The announcement means he will not play in Bayern Munich's home game against Mainz on Saturday.

In October, Kimmich admitted that he was not vaccinated against COVID-19, citing his concerns about long-term side effects. Experts have emphasized that such concerns are entirely unfounded

 

 

 

 

 

 

[New World Explorer]

7 hours ago, Sofia said:

Omicron variant may be a 'live Covid vaccine', claims Vladimir Putin

Some early evidence from South Africa suggests omicron may trigger milder disease than previous variants

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/12/07/omicron-variant-may-live-covid-vaccine-claims-vladimir-putin/

Paywall for me. 

[SUNRAY]

18 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

Paywall for me. 

Interesting perspective, but I had to tap the link several times to go to the content because of not being able to log in..😉

[Sofia]

19 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

Paywall for me. 

Oh sorry Greg

 

here it is the content:

 

Vladimir Putin has compared omicron to a “live vaccine”, downplaying the potential risks posed by the variant which has now lapped the globe. On Tuesday the Russian President suggested fears about omicron, a highly mutated coronavirus strain which is designated a variant of concern by the World Health Organization, may turn out to be “premature”. “Let’s not get ahead of ourselves,” Mr Putin said. “They say it’s not that virulent.

Some specialists even call it a live vaccine.” Live vaccines include an attenuated, or weakened, form of the virus that causes a particular disease to trigger an immune response that will generate protective antibodies, but is not strong enough to make an individual sick.

The measles mumps and rubella (MMR) and yellow fever vaccines both include attenuated virus, for instance. There has been some early evidence from South Africa suggesting that omicron may trigger milder disease than previous variants. A study of 166 patients in hospitals in the Tshwane district of Gauteng province - the epicentre of the omicron outbreak - shows that patients are predominantly younger than those hospitalised in the first and second waves of the pandemic, and they are less likely to need oxygen.

But Eleanor Riley, a professor of infectious disease immunology at the University of Edinburgh, told The Telegraph that letting omicron spread uncontrolled is not a sensible strategy, especially if it proves to evade vaccines. This is a concern because, of the 50 mutations detected in omicron, 32 are in the spike protein – which the current crop of vaccines target to boost the body’s immune system.

“He [Mr Putin] might be right if it really is very very mild,” she said. “But letting it spread in an unconstrained manner is not a risk any of us should take given the information we have currently.” Prof Riley added that, if the level of protection offered by vaccines takes a hit due to the omicron variant, then “things will get a lot worse before they get better” and “more restrictions are inevitable”.

Mr Putin’s comments come after the head of the World Health Organization in Europe warned that travel bans will do little to combat omicron as the variant is already “everywhere”, adding that it has already been identified in 21 countries in the region. Worldwide, it has now been found in well over 40 nations - including two cases in Russia.

“As surveillance capacity and genomic sequencing is going to be scaled up more and more countries surely will report on cases of omicron,” Dr Hans Kluge told a press briefing on Tuesday.

He also stressed that there are still huge unknowns about how the variant behaves. “It has yet to be seen how and whether the latest Covid-19 variant of concern, omicron, will be more transmissible and more severe,” he said.

 

Several scientists around the Globe agree this omicron can end the pandemic soon, serving as a naturally spread vaccine.

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Sofia

[Lewis]

I was listening to the radio news last week and on one day the news were making statements made by doctors that Omicron could end the pandemic and the outcome was looking good, then the next day they were reporting that this pandemic will be here for a very long time and could become seasonal like the flu. It is such a confusing world we live in. All these different claims and opinions. Nobody really knows how this will turn out to be really. Just possibilities.

[Amygdala]

Yes, I spoke with a sister on the phone who had concerns about the booster and after having it done, how often do we need it, etc. She was overwhelmed about all the info out there and what this scientist said or this report stated, conflicting official reports, new warnings, that I said it's best not to read or watch too much news. We inform ourselves, make decisions based on what we know is best for our families, and not worry about the rest. Getting all worried about everything and the possible outcomes or scenarios or not would just make one sick.

[Sofia]

1 hour ago, Lewis said:

I was listening to the radio news last week and on one day the news were making statements made by doctors that Omicron could end the pandemic and the outcome was looking good, then the next day they were reporting that this pandemic will be here for a very long time and could become seasonal like the flu. It is such a confusing world we live in. All these different claims and opinions. Nobody really knows how this will turn out to be really. Just possibilities.

"Omicron can end the pandemic" - yes, it´s possible. Time will tell. If it leads to mild disease, yes. many scientist say that omicron is a miracle. Because it can end the pandemic, otherwise if more agressive could lead to serious cases and many deaths...

 

Others say that it can become endemic like a flu. - yes, its also possible. In this case the pandemic is over too, while we live with this virus. actualy in both statements pandemic is supposed to be gone.

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 this pandemic will be here for a very long time  - actualy this is not accurate. It should state "the sars cov 2 will be here for a very long time" - not the pandemic.  😉 

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Many scientists agree that it may not be necessary a vaccine foe omicron... given that that we must weight the benefits/risks. If omicron causes milder disease, why a vaccine? or perhaps vaccinate only the most susceptible groups.

 

Its still too soon to tell.

I say that this variant is weird, very strange.... I even doubt if it happened naturally. But this is my thoughts only... sorry.

Im not implying anything. Just saying that its kinda difficult to believe it happened by chance.

Scientists believe in evolution, its easy for them to say. But we are used to see things differently. And I see an insertion in a specific spot, difficult to believe its there by chance. Its the first time a variant has an insersion.

Edited December 12, 2021 by Sofia

[Lewis]

30 minutes ago, Sofia said:

"Omicron can end the pandemic" - yes, it´s possible. Time will tell. If it leads to mild disease, yes. many scientist say that omicron is a miracle. Because it can end the pandemic, otherwise if more agressive could lead to serious cases and many deaths...

 

Others say that it can become endemic like a flu. - yes, its also possible. In this case the pandemic is over too, while we live with this virus. actualy in both statements pandemic is supposed to be gone.

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 this pandemic will be here for a very long time  - actualy this is not accurate. It should state "the sars cov 2 will be here for a very long time" - not the pandemic.  😉 

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Yeah thats true Sofia, it will either end or be a seasonal thing and we will be out of a pandemic..eventually.

[vern]

Those days will be cut short.

[Dustparticle]

More shots in the future: https://www.foxnews.com/us/dr-fauci-says-americans-may-have-to-deal-with-more-booster-shots

[Mykyl]

There still seems some confusion as to whether omicron is less severe. 
Here the level has been raised and an emergency declared with a real push to get people vaccinated and boosted. 
 

Covid: Boris Johnson sets new booster target over 'Omicron tidal wave' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59631570

 

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At this point our scientists cannot say that Omicron is less severe.

And even if that proved to be true, we already know it is so much more transmissible that a wave of Omicron through a population that was not boosted would risk a level of hospitalisation that could overwhelm our NHS and lead sadly to very many deaths."

 

[Sofia]

29 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

More shots in the future: https://www.foxnews.com/us/dr-fauci-says-americans-may-have-to-deal-with-more-booster-shots

Booster shots wont help with omicron... and if omicron causes mild disease, they are pointless.

Let´s see what time tells us... we must wait, wait in Jehovah, be patient and trust Him and GB.

 

[Qapla]

It sometimes surprises me how concerned some get about the vaccines and boosters while they take a daily regimen of pills and/or insulin for high blood pressure, diabetes and other "routine" infirmities without ever complaining about those medications.

 

 

[Sofia]

24 minutes ago, Mykyl said:

some confusion as to whether omicron is less severe.

yes. a lot of misleading information. We must be cautious... we are receiving wrong information along with true information.

Please dont spend too much time on the news channels. some of us may not be able to filter the truth and may get scared or misinformed.

Most of us may get confusing information and take wrong conclusions.

 

Truth: we have a new variant going on; it will eventually replace Delta variant soon; it´s not totally covered by vaccines ( boosting may not work and may be harmful if the body is over stimulated against sars over and over in short periods of time)

 

if its mild then no need to worry about. If its as mild as a secondary effect of a covid jab then why taking more boosts? 

reason:

Governments are in panic; dont want to shut down everything as the economy is collapsing all over; Fear omicron may be dangerous at least in older people, fear over hospitalizations soon, so "just in case" let´s get the people take more boosts - without real facts. Its too soon to predict if boosts are really necessary. 

 

The world is blind. more details will be revealed soon in the next weeks.

 

My opinion? I believe the best way our imune system has to fight corona is the T memory cells. I hope most of us have them. and those will be able to help us against omicron.

Nevertheless...In SA many people who got covid, got omicron. So the protection even from a natural infection is not 100% effective. Vacines are based on spike proteins, which are heavily changed in omicron. So again no efective protection.

Many scientists say omicron is a miracle... because if it caused more deaths than Delta, the World would be doomed.

 

[Dustparticle]

21 minutes ago, Sofia said:

Booster shots wont help with omicron... and if omicron causes mild disease, they are pointless.

Let´s see what time tells us... we must wait, wait in Jehovah, be patient and trust Him and GB.

 

We do not know what ahead regarding this mess and neither does the GB. We must go with the flow as times goes on with Jehovah’s help. It is a messy world of not knowing the way out. Sad!

[Sofia]

13 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

world of not knowing the way out

The World doesnt know. But...We do.

We have the Bible, we have the prophecies; we have Jehovah on our side; we have the GB to guide us. We must trust whatever they tell us to do. Let´s keep on the watch for the next GB update! It may be #1 in january... or if GB finds it necessary it can be the #10 in december. Proper food in proper time. Let´s pray for guidance, trust GB and OBEY

[Mykyl]

7 hours ago, Sofia said:

 

Truth: we have a new variant going on; it will eventually replace Delta variant soon; it´s not totally covered by vaccines ( boosting may not work and may be harmful if the body is over stimulated against sars over and over in short periods of time)

 

if its mild then no need to worry about. If its as mild as a secondary effect of a covid jab then why taking more boosts? 

reason:

Governments are in panic; dont want to shut down everything as the economy is collapsing all over; Fear omicron may be dangerous at least in older people, fear over hospitalizations soon, so "just in case" let´s get the people take more boosts - without real facts. Its too soon to predict if boosts are really necessary. 

 

The world is blind. more details will be revealed soon in the next weeks.

 

My opinion? I believe the best way our imune system has to fight corona is the T memory cells. I hope most of us have them. and those will be able to help us against omicron.

Nevertheless...In SA many people who got covid, got omicron. So the protection even from a natural infection is not 100% effective. Vacines are based on spike proteins, which are heavily changed in omicron. So again no efective protection.

Many scientists say omicron is a miracle... because if it caused more deaths than Delta, the World would be doomed.

 

The fear they have over hospitalisation isn’t soon it’s happening now already. Cases are doubling every couple of days. They have now seen that two doses are not enough to stop symptomatic infections that can end in hospitalisation.
It may not end up being as dangerous but more people will end up in hospital as things currently stand. That’s why a medical emergency has been declared. It’s based on current events not “just in case” events. 
By the way the threat levels are not changed by government. These are changed by scientists based on what is currently happening, not on what might happen. 
 

Are they supposed to wait and see and hope that it really is not that bad? Wait and see how many may end up dying from it? How many hospitalised people there end up being. 

People would jump up and down demanding answers as to why they waited. 
Isn’t it better to do all they can to prepare for possibilities rather than wait and see???

I posted the information as this is what IS happening here in the UK. I was not commenting any personal thoughts or what people should believe. That’s all. 🤷‍♂️ I personally couldn’t care less anymore. Normally I don’t even bother commenting on it. People make their own choices for good or ill themselves. I have already noticed that folks make up their own minds based on their own bias already anyway. Nothing to do with me. 
 

I already had my booster.  As has most of those I know. My parents. My in laws. My siblings. My cousins and Aunts and Uncles. Brothers and sisters in my congregation and in my parents congregation. With no ill effects at all. 
 

I’ll back out now. 😔
 

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Mykyl

[Sofia]

2 hours ago, Mykyl said:

The fear they have over hospitalisation isn’t soon it’s happening now already. Cases are doubling every couple of days. They have now seen that two doses are not enough to stop symptomatic infections that can end in hospitalisation.
It may not end up being as dangerous but more people will end up in hospital as things currently stand. That’s why a medical emergency has been declared. It’s based on current events not “just in case” events. 
By the way the threat levels are not changed by government. These are changed by scientists based on what is currently happening, not on what might happen. 
 

Are they supposed to wait and see and hope that it really is not that bad? Wait and see how many may end up dying from it? How many hospitalised people there end up being. 

People would jump up and down demanding answers as to why they waited. 
Isn’t it better to do all they can to prepare for possibilities rather than wait and see???

I posted the information as this is what IS happening here in the UK. I was not commenting any personal thoughts or what people should believe. That’s all. 🤷‍♂️ I personally couldn’t care less anymore. Normally I don’t even bother commenting on it. People make their own choices for good or ill themselves. I have already noticed that folks make up their own minds based on their own bias already anyway. Nothing to do with me. 
 

I already had my booster.  As has most of those I know. My parents. My in laws. My siblings. My cousins and Aunts and Uncles. Brothers and sisters in my congregation and in my parents congregation. With no ill effects at all. 
 

I’ll back out now. 😔
 

 

 

 

Thank you for your words 🤗

[SUNRAY]

4 hours ago, Mykyl said:

posted the information as this is what IS happening here in the UK

Thank you for posting this information. Having a firsthand report from a JW is a preferable source of information! Please continue to stay safe! And please come back to update us! 😷

 

[ijsvogel]

5 hours ago, Mykyl said:

Are they supposed to wait and see and hope that it really is not that bad? Wait and see how many may end up dying from it?

In the Netherlands, it took a very long time to give the booster. Maybe also this wait-and-see policy? As a result, almost no boosters have been given yet (the lowest in all of Europe). Now it has finally started. The elderly get it first. I am in my 40s so I will probably have to wait until February.

[hatcheckgirl]

The borders of my state of Western Australia are going down (finally) on February 5, and then we learn to “live” with covid in the community. We’ve had a hard border for so long, and enjoyed normality without masks and covid, apart from short lockdowns, since March 2020. 
 

I have mixed feelings. It felt surreal to watch the rest of the world suffer, when we were safe in our bubble. 

[Sofia]

20 minutes ago, ijsvogel said:

In the Netherlands, it took a very long time to give the booster. Maybe also this wait-and-see policy? As a result, almost no boosters have been given yet (the lowest in all of Europe). Now it has finally started. The elderly get it first. I am in my 40s so I will probably have to wait until February.

In Australia Gov has shortened the booster interval fearing omicron

[hatcheckgirl]

Just now, Sofia said:

In Australia Gov has shortened the booster interval fearing omicron

Yes, to 5 months since last shot

[Dustparticle]

13 hours ago, Sofia said:

The World doesnt know. But...We do.

We have the Bible, we have the prophecies; we have Jehovah on our side; we have the GB to guide us. We must trust whatever they tell us to do. Let´s keep on the watch for the next GB update! It may be #1 in january... or if GB finds it necessary it can be the #10 in december. Proper food in proper time. Let´s pray for guidance, trust GB and OBEY

You are right on all on this. Please do not misunderstood what I meant. We or the GB did not know exactly what was going to happen when this pandemic when arrived. They took action in beginning in March 2020.  When making the new book, they did not have the pandemic in mind because they did know it was going to happen. What we know what is in the bible and we have to go along with it. If the 3 horseman out to kill mankind, oh well we was warned about this 2,000 years ago.

 

 Yes, the world doesn't know the way out and we do. As along we are in this system, there will be surprises that we have to adapt even it takes time to do this.