Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[hatcheckgirl]

2 hours ago, McKay said:

Wow.

 

I think I'm done participating on this forum for a while.

Please stay around, even if you need a break for a while. I know what you mean.  Some of the brothers and sisters were thinking you must be at the meeting unless you’re “dying”. My mum also got very sick at a circuit assembly this year in February where a sister was coughing up a lung all morning behind her. My mum was very sick, and honestly with covid just rearing it’s head we did wonder. Hoping you and your family stay safe, my brother. 
 

[Old]

5 hours ago, blue-jay said:

But many who don't vaccinate think that the vaccine might pose a danger to them. See how that works?

That's why it's a personal conscience decision and no one should be made to feel guilty about it. 

Everybody needs to make their own research, make their own decision and then live with it. 

No, others live with it.

[Old]

2 hours ago, vern said:

There have been vaccines made using human fetal materials.  Just research human Diploid cells.

 

This link even though catholic sourced does have a concise list of vaccines with cell lines that were human cells.

 

https://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm

 

I think thats what the objections are....  you can say its not blood but this to me seems much more objectionable.

 

I.m not sure about the difference of eating protein DNA as opposed to injecting protien DNA  the liver would have to deal with both... but thru the stomach atleast it has to go thru some kind of controlls and filtration systems.

And so you care nothing about the decision made by the GB as to it's being  a matter of personal decision as opposed on a scriptural basis. 

Where  does protein come into discussion of these vaccines? Are we now to go to an in depth discussion of DNA?

 

 

 

[vern]

37 minutes ago, Old said:

And so you care nothing about the decision made by the GB as to it's being  a matter of personal decision

I'm not sure of  what you mean.  But some comments above seem to say that some are worried about blood in vaccines... for which blood/fetal DNA is human proteins materials.

Personaly i don't want someone elses DNA in me floating around causing problems....  that being said we eat meat and protiens and the liver processes it....  so  i understand there is a deeper understanding on this is needed . which i personally have not researched if injectables is processed by the liver after lfoating around in the blood eventually.. or if it does actually cause problems....  I was coerced into vaccines in my early 20.s and had psych issues that took me out of Gods service... and later again with tetnis shot also caused problems for several years....  so yes..  i personally don't want to be forced to take a vaccine that i have a history of terrible psych issues that happen that will make me suicidal.

 

And i very much am for the thought... if vaccinated persons take the vaccine why are they so scared?  they are suppose to be protected....  heard imminunity?  is it a lie?  should be no issues some running around when it wasn't suppose to be that deadly in the first place.  There are a lot of storyies flying around.

 

GB said what?  are they pro vaccine?  or pro not taking?  pretty sure they tried to be nuetral...  but yes they last i knew are pro vaccine as to abiding by ceiser....  but they probly have enough cases by brothers and sisters damaged so they leave it to personal choice... which is wise. cause if they make someone take a vaccine that hurts them they would be liable and mis use of thier authority.  The same way some of the reasoning many have that if you miss meetings its a sin which is why poeple went to meetings sick.

 

i said protien so i wouldn't call it cannibalism....  but ok  its a form of cannibalism....  a body was taken out of a person and used medically.  You think Jehovah approves?  anywayz....  GB says its personal decision....  so how did i disregard what they said?

[Qapla]

24 minutes ago, vern said:

I said protein so i wouldn't call it cannibalism....  but ok  its a form of cannibalism....  a body was taken out of a person and used medically.  You think Jehovah approves?  anywayz....  GB says its personal decision....  so how did i disregard what they said?

What about a heart, liver or kidney transplant? These are also personal decisions that the GB has said there are no scriptural basis for them to be called "wrong".

 

The main point is, the decision to take a vaccine is personal ... and that is what it should be - PERSONAL

 

It is one thing to say you do or don't want a vaccine. It is another to state your position over-and-over-and-over, regardless of pro or con, so it comes across as you trying to convince those who decide different than you that they are wrong or just don't understand.

 

 

Edited December 10, 2020 by Qapla

[Amygdala]

7 minutes ago, Qapla said:

It is one thing to say you do or don't want a vaccine. It is another to state your position over-and-over-and-over, regardless of pro or con, so it comes across as you trying to convince those who decide different than you are wrong or just don't understand.

 

Agreed. Is such going around in circles to convince those who are neutral and haven't made a decision one way or another at the moment? Is it for their benefit?? I am all for educational reasoning, but throwing accusations around, gaslighting, use of intimidation, and false accusations are counterproductive to anyone not only forming a reasonable opinion but causing clear divisions with others, which isn't what the GB intended by leaving it up to conscience of each individual or family.

 

Though I do understand people are shaped by their experiences and emotions, which perhaps due to unfortunate circumstances were negative because of not taking a vaccine or because of taking a vaccine in the past...history and experiences shape our viewpoints, and even how aggressively we view them.  But regardless of our firm conviction, an interchange of information or thought would be futile if it based on more dictatorship-type reasoning vs. theocratic led reasoning. 

[Amygdala]

27 minutes ago, Lieblingskind said:

I am all for educational reasoning

Which, actually, is even possible with this kind of subject? The thread is about the vaccine itself, but discussion of pro or against seems to lead only to heads butting, and doubtful as to anything useful, unless someone genuinely feels this has solidified for them a decision.

[New World Explorer]

Moving forward in 2021, it seems that international travellers to Australia will be required to prove that they are "vaccinated" 

I believe that whole travel thing will operate on similar terms everywhere. (At least looks like that)

The world is changing in front of our eyes.... and no matter what our personal decision is regarding "the jab" we will need to make a decision either way. 

Very soon mankind will be divided into 2 categories : 

1. Vaccinated ones ..with freedom to move around as they wish etc

2. Non Vaccinated ones - with imposed limits to enter certain venues, international travel, and probably with some work limitations,  etc etc. 

 

Our family is still in a process of observing and deciding.

No hasty decision is on the table.  

 

 

 

[friendlyone]

I watched a question and answer this morning on one of the breakfast programmes. The person answering viewers' questions is a doctor.

 

I'm quite happy to accept the vaccine anyway, but hearing the doctor's answers put my mind even more at ease. My own view is I owe it to myself to protect myself, as well as those I come into contact with.

 

I was really surprised at some of the questions,  though of course I don't blame anyone for wanting to reassure themselves and their families the vaccine is safe, what it contains, how it actually works etc. I just hope people listen to common sense and base their decisions on facts such as we have, not scaremongering, before reaching what is after all a personal decision.

 

 

[blue-jay]

5 hours ago, Old said:

No, others live with it.

Yes, my children.

I'm responsible for them. And I'm not taking this matter lightly.

We'll do what we decide is right for us. 

You do what you decide is right for you. 

And everyone else will also make a decision. 

We don't have to agree with the others' decision, and it's none of our business. Even if we think it impacts us. 

That's how PERSONAL decisions go.

 

I wish this discussion wouldn't be so much about whether to take this vaccine or not. Some have trouble accepting that others make a different decision. No one should have to defend themselves. 

I wish this was more about concrete information about the vaccine, articles about it, and eventually about any side effects (or lack thereof). 

Information that will help us make an informed choice. 

[hatcheckgirl]

20 minutes ago, blue-jay said:

I wish this discussion wouldn't be so much about whether to take this vaccine or not. Some have trouble accepting that others make a different decision. No one should have to defend themselves. 

I wish this was more about concrete information about the vaccine, articles about it, and eventually about any side effects (or lack thereof). 

Information that will help us make an informed choice. 

This, I think, is something we can all agree on.

[Shawnster]

10 hours ago, vern said:

There have been vaccines made using human fetal materials.  Just research human Diploid cells.

 

 

Statements like this make it sound like, and could lead people to believe that this is something recent and/or many aborted babies are currently being harvested for ingredients to make vaccines.  This is not entirely correct and distorts the facts. 

 

Here is what really happened 

 

https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/fetal-tissues

 

The fetal embryo fibroblast cells used to grow vaccine viruses were first obtained from elective termination of two pregnancies in the early 1960s. 

 

 

So, the samples were, indeed, taken from 2 aborted babies 60 years ago.  Those samples were then cultured and grew in vats like yeast.  The fibroblast cells used today in vaccines did not come directly from aborted fetal tissue.  They are not still using 60 year old fibroblast 

[Naturale]

19 hours ago, bagwell1987 said:

I think we need to err on the side of caution in our opinions as to something being "not that serious". The GB is not agreeing with that opinion.

 

I did not say or imply that Covid is not that serious.   I said that not everyone has problems afterwards.  The majority do not have lingering or ongoing problems afterwards.

[Áine]

I for one an unable to have the present vaccine.. I've discussed it with my doctor and have been told on no account to take it. 

 

I had an immediate nasty reaction to the normal flu vaccine... and each time I've been vaccinated it's become worse until I'm now no longer able to take it. 

[Tortuga]

2 hours ago, blue-jay said:

 

I wish this was more about concrete information about the vaccine, articles about it, and eventually about any side effects (or lack thereof). 

Information that will help us make an informed choice. 

Excellent reminder for us to get back on topic. Thank you.

[Áine]

Topic is temporarily locked and under review 

[Lance]

The temperature of this subject has gotten to point we’re we have had to hide posts due to rudeness and belittling...

We have a choice ... locked permanently or.

We could have a topic for just the different vaccines available that a Christian may want to take..( no anti vaccines comments allowed)

And we could have a topic for alternative treatments for the covid 19 virus ... that a Christian may want to consider... ( no pro vaccine comments allowed) ...

 

I will unlock this topic to see what your response is to this suggestion.

 

And woe betide anyone who bashes the other for their personal Christian view.

Edited December 10, 2020 by Lance

[Fallbrookian]

7 minutes ago, Lance said:

The temperature of this subject has gotten to point we’re we have had to hide posts due to rudeness and belittling...

We have a choice ... locked permanently or.

We could have a topic for just the different vaccines available that a Christian may want to take..( no anti vaccines comments allowed)

And we could have a topic for alternative treatments for the covid 19 virus ... that a Christian may want to consider... ( no pro vaccine comments allowed) ...

 

I will unlock this topic to see what your response is to this suggestion.

 

And woe betide anyone who bashes the other for their personal Christian view.

Perfect!

[AH173]

13 minutes ago, Lance said:

And woe betide anyone who bashes the other for their personal Christian view.

AMEN! 

[Ludwika]

19 hours ago, McKay said:

Not at all. My father had a weakened immune system. But sick people would come to the meetings and sit behind him coughing the whole time. He finally got sick from someone and a few months later died due to complications.

I've had that happen to me. I'm always agitated when someone sits behind me and coughs and coughs. My lungs are scarred from pneumonia, I've sometimes been unwell later because someone else didn't stay home when they should have. They obviously thought they were being "heroic" in attending. 

[carlos]

12 hours ago, vern said:

i said protien so i wouldn't call it cannibalism....  but ok  its a form of cannibalism....  a body was taken out of a person and used medically.  You think Jehovah approves?  anywayz....  GB says its personal decision....  so how did i disregard what they said?

Vern, I understand why you would object to a vaccine made from human tissues or from aborted fetuses.

Fortunately this is not the case with the covid19 vaccine that has been presented. It doesn't contain any human cells. So at least this aspect should not be an issue for anyone.

[vern]

I know....

 

I was just bring this up as something that should be resesrched

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 And no doubt is why blood was mentioned... Human or animal...

 

Some imagine more content then what i type

I also don.t go thru all the thought connections why i type....  

Forgive me but i

Am on a small finger typing phone....

 

 

 

[WilliamChew]

Good thing it was canned since part of this vaccine was made from the HIV virus.

 

Vaccine Canned
The Australian government canceled an order for 51 million doses of a Covid-19 vaccine being developed by CSL and the University of Queensland after clinical trials ran into difficulties. The nation still has agreements to purchase three vaccines undergoing trials from other companies, and has increased orders, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said Friday. CSL said in a statement it would not progress to further clinical trials, adding that a small component of the vaccine comes from the human immunodeficiency virus, and while that posed no risk of infection, some trial participants had false positive tests for HIV. Here's more on how other shots are progressing. Meanwhile, Walmart is adding freezers and dry ice to its U.S. pharmacies to prepare for a vaccine rollout.

 

Five Things You Need to Know to Start Your Day - Bloomberg

[vern]

Viruses are strange.... Not really alive... But protien parasit invaders able to bust up cells and strange things to dna and proteins......

 

Yet pound for pound there as much material in oceans as bacteria.... And most doesn.t harm but might be beneficial.... 

 

Not sure how they manipulate viruses but i.ve read they use known dangerous ones to try to make stuff up.

 

They should just leave it alone... Jehovah seemed to use something migjt of been virus related.... Jehovah can control it.... Humans can not..

[Bard]

“[mRNA vaccine] uses a sequence of genetic RNA material produced in a lab that, when injected into your body, must invade your cells and hijack your cells’ protein-making machinery called ribosomes to produce the viral components that subsequently train your immune system to fight the virus.”

 

Could mRNA COVID-19 vaccines be dangerous in the long-term? - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)