Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[AH173]

On 12/19/2020 at 5:24 PM, AH173 said:

Our elders did not announce it today. Maybe Tuesday. Thanks.

 

We had these announcements. Maybe they were on the same document?

 

 

It was announced at last night's meeting

 

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Concerning the COVID-19 vaccine.

It says we have confirmed that the COVID-19 vaccine manufactured by Moderna does not contain blood fractions. Medical care is a matter of for personal decision, we do not attempt to make choices for others.

 

[Sister Twister]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/22/vatican-says-getting-covid-vaccine-morally-acceptable

 

Just been sent this article regarding the Vaccine a brother has done much research into one being produced in the UK 

 

The brother has done research and found the following :

 

 

I spent a while researching that a while ago and again since Covid kicked off. I’m absolutely not offering any opinion on the ethics or suitability either way what so ever, but I found it helpful in making my own decision so if anyone’s interested - the most commonly used cells of this type were apparently harvested from aborted foetuses in the 1960s and 70s and have been mostly lab-cultured from those original cells ever since. 

Cells from such sources are used in various vaccines already, including Chickenpox, Shingles, Hep A and Rubella (the R in MMR).

As far as I found only the Oxford/AstraZenica vaccine contains such cells, and that one hasn’t yet been approved.

[WilliamChew]

The first Covid-19 shots have been given to more than 2.4 million people in six countries, . . .

 

Vaccinations in the U.S. began Dec. 14 with health-care workers, and so far 777,766 doses have been administered . . .

 

500,000 in UK since Dec 21.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

[Sister Twister]

16 hours ago, WilliamChew said:

The first Covid-19 shots have been given to more than 2.4 million people in six countries, . . .

 

Vaccinations in the U.S. began Dec. 14 with health-care workers, and so far 777,766 doses have been administered . . .

 

500,000 in UK since Dec 21.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

They are proudly updating us on the figures each day , but in the South East where I live they have now found a new strain which they are now unsure if the vaccine covers this strain so we have been put into a Tier 4 lockdown and no lorries crossing the channel ! 

[Tortuga]

Here is an interesting opinion about the possible future of having to provide proof of vaccination.

 

https://www.axios.com/vaccine-proof-americans-demand-74778b08-7e1c-40f5-a83e-1a1649eb835d.html

[normadenardo]

It seems some (not all and apparently not the two that our Organization has already let us know do not include blood) manufacturers of covid 19 vaccinations are using aborted fetal cell lines in the production of their vaccines. The aborted fetal tissue comes from fetuses aborted in 1972 and also in the 1985. This may not bother some people. I am just letting anyone know who is interested. This is for information purposes only. Not looking for a debate.

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/abortion-opponents-protest-covid-19-vaccines-use-fetal-cells

[carlos]

15 minutes ago, normaclutter said:

It seems some (not all and apparently not the two that our Organization has already let us know do not include blood) manufacturers of covid 19 vaccinations are using aborted fetal cell lines in the production of their vaccines. The aborted fetal tissue comes from fetuses aborted in 1972 and also in the 1985. This may not bother some people. I am just letting anyone know who is interested. This is for information purposes only. Not looking for a debate.

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/abortion-opponents-protest-covid-19-vaccines-use-fetal-cells

According to the info I found, neither of the two vaccines approved so far (Pfizer and Moderna) uses those cells lines. I don't know about other vaccines that are being produced.

[normadenardo]

8 minutes ago, carlos said:

According to the info I found, neither of the two vaccines approved so far (Pfizer and Moderna) uses those cells lines. I don't know about other vaccines that are being produced.

Yes, I explained that. They did however use those cell lines during a protein test. 
 

also......

 

A comprehensive list of Covid19 vaccines available and in the pipeline, and the manner in which they were produced.

 

https://lozierinstitute.org/update-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-and-abortion-derived-cell-lines/?fbclid=IwAR1Ijv5yWbiVjG-AyboCRJWBvHtP68qczAuPihc3x9WnZ8dYgGzwBOA8E7Q

Edited December 23, 2020 by normaclutter

[carlos]

Thanks, Norma.

[hatcheckgirl]

Thanks Norma for that info.  I also found some more info on the fetal cell lines and the vaccines:

 

“Unlike the aforementioned COVID-19 vaccine candidates that rely on abortion-derived cells for their ongoing production, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine used the HEK-293 cell line from a 1972 abortion only to confirm that messenger RNA was properly coding for the spike protein of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. While still ethically disconcerting, the fact that this remote and limited interaction with abortion does not involve the continuing use of an aborted fetal cell line makes it less ethically problematic compared to its competitors than use these cell lines for ongoing vaccine production.“

 

By contrast:

 

“Deciding which COVID-19 vaccine poses the least ethical concerns hinges in part on the implication of abortion in (a) the initial design of the vaccine, (b) the confirmatory testing of the vaccine, and (c) the ongoing production of the vaccine. Vaccines that continue to use the abortion-derived cell line in ongoing production pose the most obvious ethical barrier to use by pro-life individuals. This category includes vaccines by AstraZeneca–University of Oxford and by Janssen–Johnson & Johnson. In fact, these vaccines employ abortion-related cell lines in all three stages—design, confirmation, and production.”

 

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/11/72753/

(This site has reasonable ethical discussions by pro-life medical doctors and ethics professionals. I only was interested in highlighting their research on the Pfizer vaccine as they explained the fetal cell lines very well).

 

 

[hatcheckgirl]

This is not a vaccine, but a treatment using monoclonal antibodies:

 

https://www.nihr.ac.uk/news/uk-recruits-first-global-patient-to-antibody-treatment-study-to-protect-against-covid-19/26458

 

A trial has started to test if this treatment can be used before getting sick with covid. I couldn’t find out if blood or plasma is involved at all, but these monoclonal antibodies have already been used in immunotherapy and are made in the lab artificially, so maybe no.

 

The trial is for people thought to have come into contact with a confirmed COVID-19 case. The AstraZeneca study called STORM CHASER, began recruiting participants at UCLH’s new Vaccine Research Centre, and is being delivered by the NIHR.

Through the use of a monoclonal antibody, the study hopes to offer immediate protection to people who have recently been exposed to the virus and prevent them developing infection.

Antibodies are protein molecules that the body produces to help fight infections. Monoclonal antibodies are artificially produced in a laboratory and designed as possible medical treatments. Monoclonal antibodies are designed to be injected directly into the body, unlike vaccines which encourage the immune system itself to produce antibodies.

[Naturale]

In order to make a monoclonal antibody an antigen is injected into a mouse or a rat.  The animal naturally produces lymphocytes, which produce antibodies specific to the antigen Spleen cells which produce the lymphocytes.  An operation on the animal removes spleen cells. The spleen cells are fused with human cancerous white blood cells called myeloma cells to form hybridoma cells which divide indefinitely.  These hybridoma cells divide and produce millions of monoclonal antibodies specific to the original antigen

 

 

[Sister Twister]

On 12/23/2020 at 10:48 PM, carlos said:

According to the info I found, neither of the two vaccines approved so far (Pfizer and Moderna) uses those cells lines. I don't know about other vaccines that are being produced.

A brother researched this and he found it to be the Astra /Zenika (Oxford vaccine) that is being produced at Oxford University UK that has used this , this one is not yet     approved but let us know from his research as below , so that we can make a informed choice as we will likely be offered this one first in the UK if approved .

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I spent a while researching that a while ago and again since Covid kicked off. I’m absolutely not offering any opinion on the ethics or suitability either way what so ever, but I found it helpful in making my own decision so if anyone’s interested - the most commonly used cells of this type were apparently harvested from aborted foetuses in the 1960s and 70s and have been mostly lab-cultured from those original cells ever since. 

Cells from such sources are used in various vaccines already, including Chickenpox, Shingles, Hep A and Rubella (the R in MMR).

As far as I found only the Oxford/AstraZenica vaccine contains such cells, and that one hasn’t yet been approved.

 

Edited December 26, 2020 by Maria Keerie
doubled a word and added something I don't know how

[Sister Twister]

45 minutes ago, Naturale said:

In order to make a monoclonal antibody an antigen is injected into a mouse or a rat.  The animal naturally produces lymphocytes, which produce antibodies specific to the antigen Spleen cells which produce the lymphocytes.  An operation on the animal removes spleen cells. The spleen cells are fused with human cancerous white blood cells called myeloma cells to form hybridoma cells which divide indefinitely.  These hybridoma cells divide and produce millions of monoclonal antibodies specific to the original antigen

 

 

thank you so interesting 

[Qapla]

If we just wait until it is to be released the FDS will let us know if there is blood in the vaccine - the same as they have done with the ones already released.

 

 

[AH173]

49 minutes ago, Qapla said:

If we just wait until it is to be released the FDS will let us know if there is blood in the vaccine - the same as they have done with the ones already released.

 

 

In a very important matter like this, even if one had good intentions, they should not run ahead of the chariot in this manner. 

 

I believe the Faithful Slave will do things that does not stir up contentions among the friends and they have better resources of information from independent thinkers whomever they are.

 

Patience in this matter is needed like in Watchtower study like in the circumcision issue which predated the Mosaic Law among the 1st century Christians.

 

[normadenardo]

19 hours ago, Qapla said:

If we just wait until it is to be released the FDS will let us know if there is blood in the vaccine - the same as they have done with the ones already released.

18 hours ago, AH173 said:

In a very important matter like this, even if one had good intentions, they should not run ahead of the chariot in this manner. 

 

I believe the Faithful Slave will do things that does not stir up contentions among the friends and they have better resources of information from independent thinkers whomever they are.

 

Patience in this matter is needed like in Watchtower study like in the circumcision issue which predated the Mosaic Law among the 1st century Christians.

But also the Faithful and Discreet Slave has always encouraged us to be informed, whether  on the blood issue or anything else we have questions about. They encourage us to pray and research and be informed before we make any decisions. They have never told us to accept blindly any information they give. Even with the blood issue, we have additional information that comes from “outside” sources to aid us in our decision. And there are details that we are all responsible to figure out on whether certain parts of the blood issue is right or wrong for us (fractions).  It is NOT running ahead of the chariot to use our God given brains and power of reasoning to figure out what personal medical decisions we should make. We are taught to study and research. We are taught to ask questions. Yes... we definitely take what they say very seriously. Very seriously. But then it is up to us to choose what direction to go in. We each have a conscience .... and it’s ok by Jehovah that they are not all exactly the same. We grew up differently, we are influenced by life long learning. The most important thing is that we show love for each other, stay united, and stay awake to any direction given us. And even all those things are choices. Each person must personally figure out if they are acceptable to Jehovah according to his principles. The FDS gives us plenty of food to HELP us make those decisions. They rest is up to our own intelligent selves. 

Edited December 27, 2020 by carlos

[Shawnster]

6 hours ago, Qapla said:

If we just wait until it is to be released the FDS will let us know if there is blood in the vaccine - the same as they have done with the ones already released.

 

 

Yes they will no doubt let us know because due to misinformation people do not understand 

 

VACCINES DO NOT CONTAIN BLOOD. 

[Old]

7 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Yes they will no doubt let us know because due to misinformation people do not understand 

 

VACCINES DO NOT CONTAIN BLOOD! 

Just trying to help out.  

[hatcheckgirl]

11 hours ago, Naturale said:

In order to make a monoclonal antibody an antigen is injected into a mouse or a rat.  The animal naturally produces lymphocytes, which produce antibodies specific to the antigen Spleen cells which produce the lymphocytes.  An operation on the animal removes spleen cells. The spleen cells are fused with human cancerous white blood cells called myeloma cells to form hybridoma cells which divide indefinitely.  These hybridoma cells divide and produce millions of monoclonal antibodies specific to the original antigen

 

 

This is why we all need to make our on personal choice. In fact, we have this choice on our worksheet .

 

QFR 90 6/1 pp 30-31 Do Jehovah’s Witnesses accept injections of a blood fraction, such as immune globulin or albumin?

Note the point about how some have reasoned on serums such as immune globulin “containing only a tiny fraction of a donor's blood plasma and used to bolster their defences against disease, is not the same as a life-Sustaining blood transfusion”. Please do have a read again in light of the decisions we may have to face in the future regarding alternatives to the vaccine.

 

And as already stated, this treatment is not a vaccine. 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2020 by hatcheckgirl

[runner92]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

Yes they will no doubt let us know because due to misinformation people do not understand 

 

VACCINES DO NOT CONTAIN BLOOD. 

I wish in the next letter they would make this clear.

[Qapla]

In both announcements, the one for Pfizer and the one for Moderna, the announcement letter said of both vaccines, "does not contain blood fractions".

 

How much clearer does it have to be?

[sunshine]

On another tack I found this article I thought was  informative highlighting how the Codiv Vaccinations will je approved which they subsequently were) be the first vaccines to use thus type of nanotechnolgy.  It just show what man can achieve when there is a will!

 

 

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A new paper published in Nature highlights the fact that whilst both vaccines still await approval by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), they “scream innovation” as they will likely mark the first such mRNA-based interventions of this kind approved for clinical use.

Yet, despite standing on the cusp of being the first vaccines that use liposomal nanoparticle delivery system to be approved, they won’t be the first medicine approved by the FDA that uses that method.

The vaccines mentioned above follow in the footsteps of Onpattro, a medicine pioneered by Alnylam Pharmaceuticals in 2018 when they took Nobel-prize winning research and created the first siRNA drug.

 

https://www.azonano.com/news.aspx?newsID=37659

 

 

I dont see any reason to be overly fearful just because these are the first vaccines of their kind since as the article says the technology was first approved in a drug almost  3 years ago. 

Edited December 27, 2020 by sunshine

[Naturale]

13 hours ago, hatcheckgirl said:

This is why we all need to make our on personal choice. In fact, we have this choice on our worksheet .

 

QFR 90 6/1 pp 30-31 Do Jehovah’s Witnesses accept injections of a blood fraction, such as immune globulin or albumin?

Note the point about how some have reasoned on serums such as immune globulin “containing only a tiny fraction of a donor's blood plasma and used to bolster their defences against disease, is not the same as a life-Sustaining blood transfusion”. Please do have a read again in light of the decisions we may have to face in the future regarding alternatives to the vaccine.

 

And as already stated, this treatment is not a vaccine. 

 

Yes and as regards the monoclonal antibody treatment, that in order to make a monoclonal antibody  an antigen has to be injected into usually a mouse but can be another animal,   everything involved with the process presents some real ethical issues as well.

Edited December 27, 2020 by Naturale

[runner92]

NVM

Edited December 27, 2020 by runner92