Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[friendlyone]

The first one for me is booked in for next week. The second one at the end of April.

[Omoyeme]

9 hours ago, friendlyone said:

Sorry, to equate what has gone on in the past with the present just doesn't make sense to me.

 

Now you're mentioning conspiracy theories and switching from one subject to another. 

From the outset, there is no interest to convince people why a segment of a community remains skeptical of a system that has been unfair to them - past and present. The information presented is solely to understand the matter, nothing more.

 

You have been given valid reasons as it relates to the subject at hand, but it remains nonsensical to you -- and many others, no doubt. That's fine.  However,  those who continue to question and/or criticize a segment of a population because they don't fall in line with medical authority  should not be looked at with a side eye for the reasons previously stated because at the end of the day it is still a PERSONAL CHOICE!

 

Edited February 3, 2021 by Omoyeme

[hatcheckgirl]

10 hours ago, Omoyeme said:

The major concern for the African/African-Americans are the centuries-long sustained mistrust of the governmental and medical establishment who have abused their authority

How awful! It’s a sick sick world. It isn’t fair that this may be what clouds people making an informed choice, based on good researched information.  But humans are not machines, and the ills of the past leave a long long shadow. The emotional damage is generational (we see this also here in Australia where Aboriginal people were also abused and they are still coping with the fallout). We also have a large multicultural society here in Australia, and many have come here as refugees who have been abused by governments and authorities in their countries, and are very distrustful of government now. This is the legacy of Satan’s world.

 

For us as Jehovah’s Witnesses, we can try to view this very sad human disaster among all people of colour for what it actually is - an abhorrent part of Satan’s cruel world. Thankfully we know how Jehovah will wipe this out from our memories, and finally heal. We have the choice of medical treatment, and this is a personal decision no one needs to justify to others. Stay safe, my sister xx.

[kejedo]

One of my step-sons (HALF-rican) had covid, recovered, and has had the vaccine. Got the good news (in my opinion) today. Good health to you. 

[Naturale]

22 hours ago, friendlyone said:

But I don't doubt the events of history, the evidence is there for all to see. What I'm trying to say is that we are in the here and now.

Here and now many people are concerned about the same old issues such as this

 

● Greed. In a New York Times report, Dr. Jerome Kassirer, a former editor of The New England Journal of Medicine, explains: “When researchers are beholden to [pharmaceutical] companies for much of their income, there is an incredible tendency to get results that are favorable to the company.”

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102010362

Edited February 3, 2021 by Naturale

[Mykyl]

1 hour ago, Naturale said:

Here and now many people are concerned about the same old issues such as this

 

● Greed. In a New York Times report, Dr. Jerome Kassirer, a former editor of The New England Journal of Medicine, explains: “When researchers are beholden to [pharmaceutical] companies for much of their income, there is an incredible tendency to get results that are favorable to the company.”

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102010362

That was one mans thought. It was used as an example in the magazine as one possibility of what could happen but it was not quoted as a blanket term stating that all researchers are greedy. Nor that most were greedy.

[rocket]

1 hour ago, Naturale said:

Here and now many people are concerned about the same old issues such as this

 

● Greed. In a New York Times report, Dr. Jerome Kassirer, a former editor of The New England Journal of Medicine, explains: “When researchers are beholden to [pharmaceutical] companies for much of their income, there is an incredible tendency to get results that are favorable to the company.”

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102010362

 

35 minutes ago, Mykyl said:

That was one mans thought. It was used as an example in the magazine as one possibility of what could happen but it was not quoted as a blanket term stating that all researchers are greedy. Nor that most were greedy.

Greed is in everything of this world but when it comes right down to It, I don't hear many people say, "I'd rather die than have the government pay for a Covid-19 vaccine for me." or "I'd rather for life to never get back to normal than for the government to pay for a Covid-19 vaccine for me." or "the government don't need to waste their money on me, I am quite happy writing letters and phone witnessing and never going to the KH again or having family gatherings or Congregation gatherings."

[Naturale]

On 2/1/2021 at 2:15 PM, hatcheckgirl said:

Again, please don't confuse the point.  No one is saying people who choose not vaccinate are the same as apostates.  What we are saying is those people who protested and stopped others from exercising their "right" to have the vaccination acted like when apostates try to impede our assemblies.  

It wasn't that I was confusing the point sis,  it was more that mine wasn't understood      I was simply saying that because of what apostasy is and what it stands for and the implications of it, that no peoples actions or attitudes should be likened to apostates unless it is actually apostates.  It isn't a fitting comparison.        

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Naturale said:

It wasn't that I was confusing the point sis,  it was more that mine wasn't understood      I was simply saying that because of what apostasy is and what it stands for and the implications of it, that no peoples actions or attitudes should be likened to apostates unless it is actually apostates.  It isn't a fitting comparison.        

Hopefully we've all understood your point by now and we can move on.

[Omoyeme]

2 hours ago, rocket said:

[...]but when it comes right down to It, I don't hear many people say, "I'd rather die than have the government pay for a Covid-19 vaccine for me." or "I'd rather for life to never get back to normal than for the government to pay for a Covid-19 vaccine for me." or "the government don't need to waste their money on me, I am quite happy writing letters and phone witnessing and never going to the KH again or having family gatherings or Congregation gatherings."

 

[hatcheckgirl]

Ummm, I don’t get why this is again becoming like this. Sigh...  if this thread could just be about the covid vaccine, and not about anti taking the vaccine, I’d appreciate it. I don’t know how many times we’ve asked this. Don’t, please don’t take offence. I’m saying this to keep the peace. Prov 17:14, I’ll be applying it if this continues because this has gone on past being a healthful, robust discussion. 

[Shawnster]

LONDON — A new study conducted by the University of Oxford shows that a vaccine made by the university and drugmaker AstraZeneca significantly reduces transmission of COVID-19 and helps prevent hospitalizations and death.

 

Britain’s Health Secretary Matt Hancock says the study supports the U.K.'s strategy of taking more time between injections.

 

Spacing out second vaccine doses to 12 weeks is allowing Britain to protect more people more quickly.

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/national/coronavirus/study-says-that-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-cuts-transmission-of-virus

[New World Explorer]

2 hours ago, hatcheckgirl said:

Ummm, I don’t get why this is again becoming like this. Sigh...  if this thread could just be about the covid vaccine, and not about anti taking the vaccine, I’d appreciate it. I don’t know how many times we’ve asked this. Don’t, please don’t take offence. I’m saying this to keep the peace. Prov 17:14, I’ll be applying it if this continues because this has gone on past being a healthful, robust discussion. 

Please no offence anybody, but sometimes reading comments I get impression that some do not understand what neutrality stands for in relationship to our view of vaccines. 
Neutrality is a simple word, easy to read and say....but so much harder to apply when “sensitive” subject touches our personal life. 
Friends, we need to stay neutral in word and action. Let the world have their “wars” about vaccines, not us, we know better because Jehovah and Jesus through FDS educated us. 

[Jmystro]

Received my 2nd Moderna vaccine this morning.  
 

Two friends (1 pfizer:1 moderna) both experienced fever, chills and body aches with their 2nd dose.

 

Will update here if I feel anything,  So far I don’t know of anyone not wanting the vaccine,  At this point we all know someone that has died of COVID that I have spoken with.

 

 

[rocket]

3 minutes ago, Jmystro said:

Received my 2nd Moderna vaccine this morning.  
 

Two friends (1 pfizer:1 moderna) both experienced fever, chills and body aches with their 2nd dose.

 

Will update here if I feel anything,  So far I don’t know of anyone not wanting the vaccine,  At this point we all know someone that has died of COVID that I have spoken with.

 

 

From what I have heard Scientist/Doctors say, those symptoms only go to show that the vaccine is working.  Hope all goes well with you my brother. 

[rocket]

2 hours ago, hatcheckgirl said:

Ummm, I don’t get why this is again becoming like this. Sigh...  if this thread could just be about the covid vaccine, and not about anti taking the vaccine, I’d appreciate it. I don’t know how many times we’ve asked this. Don’t, please don’t take offence. I’m saying this to keep the peace. Prov 17:14, I’ll be applying it if this continues because this has gone on past being a healthful, robust discussion. 

https://jwtalk.net/topic/45213-covid-19-vaccine-discussion/

 

This Thread is about the Covid-19 vaccine itself, it is not about pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine debate.  A thread was started for those who desire to post anti-vaccine/Alternative choices comments, and they  should post them there.  They will find no argument to their thinking in that thread. 

 

https://jwtalk.net/topic/47320-covid-19-discussion-on-alternative-choices-a-christian-may-chooseno-pro-vaccine-comments/

 

[Allabord4Jah]

This story on front page of smut magazine Daily Mail / Feb 3, 2021

 

Why ARE COVID cases plummeting? New infections have fallen 44% in the US and 30% globally in the past 3 weeks but experts say vaccine is NOT the main driver because only 8% of Americans and 13% people worldwide have received their first dose.

 

On Wednesday, a total of 110,679 new coronavirus infections were reported with a seven-day rolling average of 135,904, a 44% decline from the average three weeks earlier (left) - and the WHO said Monday the decline of new COVID-19 cases may be a global phenomenon, with new daily infections falling for the past three weeks in a row. Hospitalizations have fallen nearly 30% from a peak of of 132,474 on January 6 to 92,880, the lowest figure seen since November 29. Currently, 44 states are seeing a decline in cases with just Alabama, Louisiana, Montana, New Jersey, Oklahoma and Pennsylvania trending upward, according to Johns Hopkins data. California's 21,451 new confirmed cases on Tuesday are about one-third the mid-December peak of 54,000 (top right). New York recorded 8,215 new infections on Tuesday, down from the record-high of 19,942 new cases reported on January 15. Health experts say it is too soon for vaccines to be playing a role in the decline with just 8% of the population having received the first shot and less than 2% being fulling immunized. Officials say the drop is likely due to a higher number of people who've had the virus than official counts suggest, as many as 90 million people, and fewer people traveling than did over the winter holidays.

[Shawnster]

I thought I posted this already... 

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/national/coronavirus/study-says-that-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-cuts-transmission-of-virus

 

LONDON — A new study conducted by the University of Oxford shows that a vaccine made by the university and drugmaker AstraZeneca significantly reduces transmission of COVID-19 and helps prevent hospitalizations and death.

[Amygdala]

I found the CDC website helpful as to what defines the word "allergies" when someone is cautioned against taking the vaccine. I fall under a plethora of food allergies, and also allergies to dust, grass, cats, so I was wondering what was meant when someone having "allergies" was at risk when taking the vaccine.  

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/allergic-reaction.html

 

 

[Miss Bea]

I had to laugh. Chicken talking to me, (or whomever) “You mean you eat chicken McNuggets, and wieners, and you are concerned about what is in the Covid-19 shot”. 
I think every time we eat processed food, we are in that same situation. So far, we are living through it. 

I think if it were to do untold things to us, we would have been warned. 

[rocket]

11 minutes ago, Lieblingskind said:

I found the CDC website helpful as to what defines the word "allergies" when someone is cautioned against taking the vaccine. I fall under a plethora of food allergies, and also allergies to dust, grass, cats, so I was wondering what was meant when someone having "allergies" was at risk when taking the vaccine.  

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/allergic-reaction.html

 

 

I think they are talking about sever allergies associated with anaphylactic shock.  One should definitely talk to your doctors before taking the poke and if you do get the vaccine make sure you are at a facility that can give you emergency care associated with anaphylactic shock. So a pharmacy or drive thru mass vaccination center might not be the best option for you. From what I've heard from others, the second shot has more side affects than the first. 

[sunshine]

They are getting ready to test the new vaccines on adolecents.  But only over 12.  I think we will be months maybe a year away away from vaccinating all the little  children.

 

https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2020/12/10/Moderna-doses-first-participants-in-COVID-19-vaccine-trial-for-adolescents

 

 

Edited February 3, 2021 by sunshine

[kejedo]

Let's talk about beards for a while. Do they help or hinder absorption of antivirals?  Y(circling the drain, again)S

[trottigy]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55706855

 

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The fall appears to be most pronounced in older people and areas furthest ahead in their immunisation efforts.

This suggests it is the vaccine, and not just the country's current lockdown, taking effect.

Israeli Ministry of Health (MoH) figures show 531 over-60s, out of almost 750,000 fully vaccinated, tested positive for coronavirus (0.07%).

And far fewer fell ill, with 38 becoming hospitalised with moderate, severe or critical disease - a tiny proportion.

Good to see it is working.

[Amygdala]

8 hours ago, rocket said:

I think they are talking about sever allergies associated with anaphylactic shock.  One should definitely talk to your doctors before taking the poke and if you do get the vaccine make sure you are at a facility that can give you emergency care associated with anaphylactic shock. So a pharmacy or drive thru mass vaccination center might not be the best option for you. From what I've heard from others, the second shot has more side affects than the first. 

Yes that was my impression, too. Also people who generally have allergic reactions to other kinds of vaccines, or people who might react to any of the ingredients in the vaccine, or who had a severe reaction to the first dose. But my general allergies shouldn’t be a factor in not taking it, and is recommended to take the vaccine.