Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[Shawnster]

Yes, it's due to availability.  I heard the spreading out of the vaccinations in the UK was to help make sure everyone qualified received their first dose.

 

Ohio, at least the county I live in, is going to a lottery system for the vaccine.  

 

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/02/22/summit-county-public-health-covid-vaccines-coronavirus-lottery-system-ohio-appointment-register/4546278001/

 

After overwhelming demand and scheduling frustrations, Summit County Public Health is switching to a lottery system to determine who gets COVID-19 vaccines through the health department.

 

The health department said the lottery system, which will start Monday, March 1, will pull a computer-generated random sample from its vaccine registry. Those selected will receive instructions on how to schedule an appointment.

 

The health department said that currently, those included the state's Phase 1B — those 65 and older and those with specific medical conditions that put them at higher risk for complications from COVID-19 — will be considered for the lottery. Anyone can use the link to sign up, and, once eligible, they will be included in the lottery, the health department said.

[Lee49]

2 hours ago, friendlyone said:

On the subject of vaccination certificates, there is going to be a consultation here in the UK about using them for organisations to check whether people should be allowed to fly, use restaurants, attend sports venues etc for the safety of everyone. I doubt many will complain if it is put into practice.

That's what Israel is doing .

[Lee49]

28 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Summit County Public Health is switching to a lottery system to determine who gets COVID-19 vaccines through the health department.

 

Are we allowed to play the Lotto ? 🤑   

[Friends just call me Ross]

1 hour ago, Lee49 said:

Are we allowed to play the Lotto ? 🤑  

The only Powerball we are interested in is the one that is about to strike the statue's feet of iron and clay.  

👍😁

[vern]

from what i've been learning.

Its not a vaccine by definition.

Its not FDA approved in america---- its emergency use status only.

there are people dieing from it.

historically a vaccine for corona virus made worse reactions to stuff post vaccine then just leaving it alone.

it does not produce immunity-which means no heard immunity is created from it.

its only "made to reduce systems"

and all the restrictions and lock downs and masks will still be in effect- you take all the risks but no benefits.

Its experimental and the vaccine companies are not liable for anything

its experimental and the government will not help you if you have bad reactions.

 

 

this is what I've been seeing and learning.

The brothers just say its personal choice and do your homework about blood issues.

[Omoyeme]

10 hours ago, vern said:

this is what I've been seeing and learning.

The brothers just say its personal choice and do your homework about blood issues.

 

(I haven't done this much research or homework since my years as a student...lol).  And yes, the research and scientific data learned has been a bit exhaustive over the last several months, yet insightful in that it allows one to make an informed decision regarding this issue. (And the responses to the HHS.gov/VAERS national database is indeed an eye-opener for many, including myself.)

 

Edited February 24, 2021 by Omoyeme

[califlorican]

13 hours ago, Omoyeme said:

 

(I haven't done this much research or homework since my years as a student...lol).  And yes, the research and scientific data learned has been a bit exhaustive over the last several months, yet insightful in that it allows one to make an informed decision regarding this issue. (And the responses to the HHS.gov/VAERS national database is indeed an eye-opener for many, including myself.)

 

For everyone looking at the VAERS data, please keep in mind that many of these entries are self-reported, often times by patients or family members. The website itself says this:

 

“A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.“ 

[Qapla]

Another thing to consider - any data/report/research or other information that includes the words "may, might, could, possibly" or other such "speculative" wordage should not be taken as "fact" ... that goes for pro or con

[Omoyeme]

9 hours ago, califlorican said:

For everyone looking at the VAERS data, please keep in mind that many of these entries are self-reported, often times by patients or family members. The website itself says this:

 

“A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.“ 

That CDC statement reads like a standard disclaimer; a protective measure for Big Pharma.  (Keep in mind that billions of dollars are at stake for the pharmaceuticals.)

 

But for those who are sifting through voluminous amounts of medical documents, articles, books, etc., it's prudent to look at key medical data bases (i.e. CDC, NIH, FDA, WHO) with a critical eye to make comparisons, and read objective opinions also, before accepting covid-related information regarded as "absolute truth."  There's nothing suspect with wanting to read information from those who have experienced adverse effects from a rushed experimental vaccine. The VAERS cases are insightful enough that many are posting their personal experiences for the world to read and draw one's own conclusion about the matter.

 

Here's something else to ponder:  can you think of any single product ever manufactured on the planet that - if thousands or tens of thousands of people complain of adverse side effects - would that product still be on the market?  Where an individual is offered money and/or incentives to take a rushed EUA drug that has caused anaphylaxis, neurological reactions and other side effects?  Where said manufacturers of a product are afforded legal/federal protection from any and all potential litigation?

 

 

[Qapla]

7 minutes ago, Omoyeme said:

 can you think of any single product ever manufactured on the planet that - if thousands or tens of thousands of people complain of adverse side effects - would that product still be on the market?

 

Tobacco

[Allabord4Jah]

This could be an alternative.  A PRP Shot.  I had one in 2020 during COVID, and so far so good. Besides taking Vitamin D, and 2 other natural ingredients.   This shot wasn't cheap, my insurance did not pay for it.  It came out of my pocket, or rather the first stimulus that came out under Trump's administration.  It's not cheap, but I got the shot not for COVID, but for pain.  The pain was still there, but after being in 4 hospitals during COVID, and surgeries to booth, and with people who had COVID, (though I wore a mask the entire time), did not catch it.  Maybe something you would like to look into.  It is a conscious matter, plus I had prayed about it and asked the brothers on the liaison committee and the brother who is in charge at one of our local hospitals (bloodless unit), he spoke to Brothers up at Bethel, and I waited a few days, and then I got my answer...it was okay to take it. 

[califlorican]

3 hours ago, Omoyeme said:

That CDC statement reads like a standard disclaimer; a protective measure for Big Pharma.  (Keep in mind that billions of dollars are at stake for the pharmaceuticals.)

 

 

What I quoted is not a CDC statement at all. It is found on the VAERS website itself, https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

 

[califlorican]

Anyway, I was just able to make my appointments for both doses! The first will be for this Sunday and then the second three weeks later. I’ve never had a reaction to any vaccine in the past beyond a sore arm, so we’ll see how this one goes!

[hatcheckgirl]

5 hours ago, Omoyeme said:

Here's something else to ponder:  can you think of any single product ever manufactured on the planet that - if thousands or tens of thousands of people complain of adverse side effects - would that product still be on the market?  Where an individual is offered money and/or incentives to take a rushed EUA drug that has caused anaphylaxis, neurological reactions and other side effects?  Where said manufacturers of a product are afforded legal/federal protection from any and all potential litigation?

It is totally us to the individual, thank goodness, on whether to take any vaccine on offer. Previous vaccinations have worked in eradicating diseases.  And I totally understand this vaccine for covid appears rushed. 
 

Here is an article that explains why it wasn’t rushed.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-01-29/how-covid-vaccines-were-developed-in-record-time/13096682

From the article:

Before 2020, most of us had never heard of the word 'coronavirus'. But for people in the health and science community, the term was nothing new.

Coronaviruses are a well-known family of viruses, thought to be behind up to a third of all common colds, and responsible for the SARS epidemic in 2003, and MERS outbreak in 2012.

Previous work on SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV, and other common human coronaviruses meant researchers weren't totally starting from scratch with SARS-CoV-2.

They already had some understanding of the virus's biology, including its all-important spike protein.

Previous research had demonstrated the spike protein was essential to the virus gaining a foothold in the body, and a ripe target for an effective vaccine.

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Regardless of your personal reasons either for taking or not taking any vaccination, please have a look at what the scientists and others who work in this field are saying. Yes Big Pharma makes big money. It’s all part of this system, but don’t imply that is their only reason for making vaccines available in record time. Governments paid so ones who want it can have it for free, because of the immense danger posed by this pandemic to every human in every land.

 

Lastly, because nothing in this system is 100% effective against any illnesses, it makes sense they are excluded from being sued. Why would they risk it otherwise in this litigious system? If side effects are shown to create unacceptable side effects in a larger percentage of people, government health authorities are going to pull it from the market. Isn’t that what always happens?  And the company’s reputation will be ruined, so what have they gained? This situation with covid will be very closely scrutinised and major follow ups are happening on all adverse cases.

 

It’s not going to change your mind, of course, and I’m not trying to do that. What I would appreciate is not running with the crowd saying things that border on conspiracies about big pharma/rushed vaccination production/new mRNA formulations. When it isn’t actually the case at all - according to reputable government sources that I’ve quoted who have the highest stake in this if it goes wrong.

You can choose to believe the government assurances, or not. Thankfully the choice is ours. From another article:

 

Are COVID-19 vaccines safe?

In order for a vaccine to get approved for use in Australia, it needs to go through a series of rigorous safety checks.

The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) — which is responsible for approving vaccines — carefully assesses the results of vaccine trials, makes sure manufacturing standards are up to scratch, and uses its own laboratories to "assess the quality of every batch of a vaccine before it can be supplied".

Earlier this week, the TGA said following a thorough and independent review of Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine submission it decided the vaccine met the high safety, efficacy and quality standards required.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-01-27/covid-vaccine-safety-questions/13089036

[M.J.]

5 hours ago, hatcheckgirl said:

because nothing in this system is 100% effective against any illnesses, it makes sense they are excluded from being sued.

No. It makes no sense at all. Why should they be excluded from being sued? All the other drugs are not excluded from exposure to being sued. Why relax safety measures? Bethel would never do such a thing.

 

5 hours ago, hatcheckgirl said:

Why would they risk it otherwise in this litigious system?

Pharmaceutical companies take these "risks" all the time.  That's their business.

 

5 hours ago, hatcheckgirl said:

If side effects are shown to create unacceptable side effects in a larger percentage of people, government health authorities are going to pull it from the market. Isn’t that what always happens?

Yes, exactly.  That is what is supposed to happen to protect the consumer.

 

5 hours ago, hatcheckgirl said:

 And the company’s reputation will be ruined, so what have they gained?

Loads of money. 

[Omoyeme]

8 hours ago, califlorican said:

What I quoted is not a CDC statement at all. It is found on the VAERS website itself, https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

 

I stand corrected. The disclaimer in question comes from the Department of U.S. Health and Human Services. FWIW, the CDC and HHS works in tandem during this era of pandemic as both these medical entities are authority figures just the same. I stated an opinion based on my own research, but your highlighting a passing thought about VAERS database implys that it's not be taken seriously? or believed?  If you have noticed over the last several months, mainstream media will seldom report in their news stories any adverse reactions (neurological, inflammatory, death, etc.) whether on television or online. But here's the thing: if health authorities day-by-day publicly encourage the world to take an experimental vaccine, prudent people will ask concerning questions in how it affects others (in the short term) who've already been administered this drug. There are no long-term studies so where can people go to get first-hand experiences?  Inquiring minds want to know.

 

Millions have taken these experimental vaccines and thousands have reported side affects at HHS.gov. This VAERS database is of great interest to many and is relevant for the moment. And until the CDC or any other government entity creates one that is similar, then this is the only one accessible to the public.

 

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[...]I was just able to make my appointments for both doses! The first will be for this Sunday and then the second three weeks later. I’ve never had a reaction to any vaccine in the past beyond a sore arm, so we’ll see how this one goes!

 

I certainly hope it goes well with you Sis. 

 

Edited February 25, 2021 by Omoyeme

[rocket]

4 hours ago, M.J. said:

No. It makes no sense at all. Why should they be excluded from being sued? All the other drugs are not excluded from exposure to being sued. Why relax safety measures? Bethel would never do such a thing.

 

Pharmaceutical companies take these "risks" all the time.  That's their business.

 

Yes, exactly.  That is what is supposed to happen to protect the consumer.

 

Loads of money. 

I don't think it's all about the money.  The Governments of the world has ask the pharmaceutical companies to step up and produce a vaccine ASAP. With over 500,000 people dead in the USA, something is needed now to curb that. If the US waits until all possible testing is done regarding long term effects etc. the deaths from the virus would exceed the deaths from the vaccine by thousands of percentages, IMHO.  It has been estimated that if nothing is done over two million Americans will die and as fast as the virus is mutating that number could be much higher. So if the pharmaceutical companies have to cut the last chapter of testing to meet the governments demands in an effort to save lives, then yes they should not be sued, IMHO. To my knowledge no one is being forced to take the vaccine.

Edited February 25, 2021 by rocket

[Omoyeme]

2 hours ago, rocket said:

To my knowledge no one is being forced to take the vaccine.

 

Yes, people are being forced to take the vaccines! 

 

[New World Explorer]

6 minutes ago, Omoyeme said:

 

Yes, people are being forced to take the vaccines! 

 

As far as I am aware, in Australia the whole process is not enforced. 
The government hopes that majority of population will respond to a vaccination process without tools in a form of a law etc. 

[rocket]

32 minutes ago, Omoyeme said:

 

Yes, people are being forced to take the vaccines! 

 

Maybe you have a link as I have not heard of forced vaccinations in the US. Some employers may give their employees a choice, get vaccinated or find other employment but in some jobs with high risk to others, to me at least, that is completely understandable.

[hatcheckgirl]

I do understand how in this uncertain climate it would be more comfortable to have the ability to sue. But this is not a perfect system. No one can guarantee you won’t have serious side effects. It’s probable you may have had underlying health issues, so it’s best not to take it. So the risk is always going to be there. Remember the American and English governments have approved it for emergency use. But it still needed thorough scrutiny before that was granted. So, actually, the government should be sued because they allowed it. And what choice did they have? The mess we see now is pretty much self inflicted by a whacked government and selfish people with no love of neighbor. 
 

In Australia it wasn’t approved by emergency measures and took longer for the TGA to approve, but still no indemnity. 
 

A spokesman for the federal health department said the government was "committed to providing access to safe and effective COVID-19 vaccines" and had agreed to indemnify the drug companies due to "the need to appropriately share risks associated with achieving early access to a successful vaccine."

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-government-grants-indemnity-for-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-20201008-p5636o.html
 

We don’t know how this will all pan out. The uncertainty is getting to everyone, but we can see the wisdom of the fds in saying it’s a personal choice. When we do our best to look into things, we can be more settled in the choice we make.
 

Both taking the vaccine and getting covid have risks. Both have milder effects, but covid has been lethal in millions of cases. The risk of that vs a small possibility of strong side effects or death in vaccines should be taken into account. At this stage, traditional vaccines have worked millions and millions of times, and failed very few times. The diseases eradicated made this trade off worthwhile. The risk assessment is yours to make. But it’s not reasonable for you to expect no risk in taking any health measures, not in this world. 

 

[New World Explorer]

25 minutes ago, rocket said:

Maybe you have a link as I have not heard of forced vaccinations in the US. Some employers may give their employees a choice, get vaccinated or find other employment but in some jobs with high risk to others, to me at least, that is completely understandable.

Same here, Qantas Airlines stated here Down Under that in the future when borders will open, they will allow only vaccinated passengers onboard. (many of us have heard about Vaccine Passport, right?)  Seems like "enforcement" but it is not, because choice is left to us as individuals.  

Do I have to travel overseers? Can I live without it? Is is worth to be vaccinated just for travel? 

 

Here Down Under we'll need to make a choice in this area, but it is not enforced, refusing vaccine will have "consequences" but those who make that choice can live with those "consequences" 

Employment can be changed, International travel off cards ...but hey this choice does not kill a person. 

The world has changed and no matter what our views are... we can't change anything. 

We still need to make some choices. 

 

Only Kingdom will bring balance to the earth, with perfect life without situations that confront us, and disturb us. 

[pnutts]

In Canada and probably many other lands - the flu vaccine is free and recommended. You Can Not sue if there are adverse reactions. a Cdn $2 billion/yr gift to the Pharma companies.

 

I have M.E. aka CFS in the US and in the Cdn clinical definition-treatment protocols flu vaccines are not recommended.

 

However with Covid 19 I will take the chance however not the Pfizer one. I believe one of the ingredients is Phenol based which I am sensitive to, maybe because I used to sanitize floor, with phenol solution, of medicine liquid room where I worked 1st job out of school. made such yummy stuff such as Pepto Bismal 🤢, Elixir Terapine Hydrate w codeine RX cough medicine 42% ethyl alcohol

[Old]

2 hours ago, rocket said:

Maybe you have a link as I have not heard of forced vaccinations in the US. Some employers may give their employees a choice, get vaccinated or find other employment but in some jobs with high risk to others, to me at least, that is completely understandable.

She supplied a source, it just didn't stand out, the word forced is the link.

[kejedo]

Just got back my 5th negative swab test. My other chronic illnesses mimic same symptoms as Covid, with couple of new ones. I am frustrated with my primary doc. She took blood work last month but has not given me my results. I do not know if she has a current h/h for me, as I have severe persistent anemia and have had a lengthy in-hosp stay with long discussions over blood, despite being in a bloodless unit. Since then, I have been in and out of iron infusion labs for intermittent lengths. I thought this abiding fatigue was from Covid, but not. Docs have limited hours now, and no vaccines available. I do not know of any docs around taking new patients.