Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[Nirex]

On 7/20/2021 at 10:19 AM, runner92 said:

 

Thank you for this. Thank you also for pointing out that a lot of the reason conspiracy sites get posted is because the traditionally accepted sites remove it constantly, and a whole lot of the time they don't say the information was unfounded. It just straight up disappears and they act like it was never posted. That's a problem. There have been many articles and information from verified virologists and doctors that just disappears mysteriously. When you see that happen over and over, it makes you wonder: Is this just conspiracy or are they trying to hide information the public might want to know while making a decision? 

It could be malice and hiding... But I think it's more out of fear. The virus hit, tons died, life as we knew it changed. People were afraid. They put their hopes into a vaccination, rushed it, and for the first time in almost a year felt like things were going back to normal, or at least that they could breathe after getting it. For all these studies to pop up, and deaths from the vaccination, to have to turn around and admit it doesn't work as much as it should and they're not in the clear.. it means their answer is not an answer, and they're afraid of what that means next. I think that'd be the reason for hiding, and not investigating the reports until they become tons up on tons vs the several anecdotes here and there.

 

At least that's my theory on that.

[trottigy]

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/when-will-the-fda-give-full-approval-for-covid-19-vaccines

 

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For one, full approval might help convince people in the “wait-and-see” group that the vaccines are safe and effective.

 

“Full approval may provide greater assurance that the vaccine safety and efficacy have been more fully studied, and may reduce some of the vaccine hesitancy that currently exists,” said Melissa Tice, PhD, assistant professor of clinical research and leadership at George Washington University.

 

It could also lead to more employers and schools requiring COVID-19 vaccination for their employees and students.

 

Both of these might help restart the country’s stalled vaccination program

It could be as late as January 2022 before they get full approval.

Edited July 21, 2021 by trottigy

[WilliamChew]

More statistics from Singapore from the pas 28 days showing fully vaccinated had fewer symptoms.

 

Even if you get sick, it'll be less serious: Vaccinated woman who got COVID-19 urges more to get their jabs

 

 

As of Wednesday night (Jul 21), out of the 412 local COVID-19 cases reported in the last 28 days who had been fully vaccinated, all had mild or no symptoms.  

 

In the partially vaccinated group, 0.7 per cent of patients who had received one dose of the vaccine required supplemental oxygen.

 

As for those who had not received any dose of the vaccine, 2.4 per cent of the 253 local cases developed serious illness, need oxygen supplementation or admission into intensive care units.

[califlorican]

On 7/21/2021 at 8:35 AM, Nirex said:

It could be malice and hiding... But I think it's more out of fear. The virus hit, tons died, life as we knew it changed. People were afraid. They put their hopes into a vaccination, rushed it, and for the first time in almost a year felt like things were going back to normal, or at least that they could breathe after getting it. For all these studies to pop up, and deaths from the vaccination, to have to turn around and admit it doesn't work as much as it should and they're not in the clear.. it means their answer is not an answer, and they're afraid of what that means next. I think that'd be the reason for hiding, and not investigating the reports until they become tons up on tons vs the several anecdotes here and there.

 

At least that's my theory on that.

Do people actually believe that the vaccines aren’t working as they should? If you look at this time last year, there were 1000+ deaths per day due to COVID in the entire US. Now it’s down to much, much less: 100-400 in the country depending on the day. Still a lot but not nearly as many. And when you consider that most states are fully “open” this year compared to last year’s lockdowns, it’s even better sounding. 
 

Experts have been saying since last year that a vaccine alone would not end the virus. I don’t think anyone reasonable still thinks that getting vaccinated is a 100% guarantee. What it is is another good measure of prevention/protection for many from serious illness and death. I’m fine with people not getting vaccinated if they don’t think it’s right for them, but we can’t ignore that they do have a benefit and the GB agrees with that.

Edited July 22, 2021 by califlorican

[vern]

With in a year we should know a good portion of the debate.  Vaccine good or bad.

[califlorican]

22 minutes ago, vern said:

With in a year we should know a good portion of the debate.  Vaccine good or bad.

Why within a year?

[vern]

If there is a pattern of deaths .

 

We.ll see who

Is telling stories or not.

[New World Explorer]

3 minutes ago, vern said:

If there is a pattern of deaths .

 

We.ll see who

Is telling stories or not.

I think we know this already, brother William posted recent statistics from Singapore of what is happening with those who are already vaccinated and those who are not. I think the picture is getting clear right now.  

[vern]

Welll... My red flag to that singapor story.

.. The lady had no symptoms....

 

Yaa.. Say asymptomatic....

 

No symptoms is no symptoms...

 

Some doctors say no symptoms mean no virus and no ability to spread disease.

 

 

[vern]

You read up on the PCR tests ?

 

They can make the tests false positives easily... And then they can change it to not have false positives...

 

The maker of the tests is saying this....

 

Look. I don.t have the time to fact check everything... So i don.t know who is telling stories... But you kind of need to be cautious.    But what i see are bunch of dirty tactics censoring those who don.t go along the popular narrative....

 

Who.s telling lies.... Read up on propoganda definitions and you see how you can easily be fooled.

 

Hopefully the world isn.t this evil.  But the depopulation ideas to a world without faith.... What do youthink they would do with their power and money filled with an angry god feeding them lies and promises?

 

Sorry. But some of the alternate sites makes some sense with a world conttrolled by wicked god bent on as much chaos as he can get away with.

 

 

 

[New World Explorer]

5 hours ago, vern said:

Who.s telling lies.... Read up on propoganda definitions and you see how you can easily be fooled.

That's why we need to listen to the wise guidance and instructions given to us during this last days of the last days, and turn away from worldly sources.

As we go deeper and deeper in the stream of time, we will be wise to hold firm to the truth, and staying close to God's appointed channel of communication.  

Proverbs 3:5 beautifly encourages us: Trust in Jehovah with all your heart,
And do not rely on your own understanding.

 

Our understanding even in the best case is extremely limited in comparison to Jehovah's wisdom. 

He is and will continue giving us clear direction, to navigate this wicked system and eventually come out from GT into his world of righteousness. (This includes directions we are receiving now, during pandemic) 

[trottigy]

Saw this this morning:

 

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Pfizer Inc.’s Covid-19 vaccine provided a strong shield against hospitalization and more severe disease in cases caused by the contagious delta variant in Israel in recent weeks, even though it was just 39% effective in preventing infections, according to the country’s health ministry.

 

The vaccine, developed with BioNTech SE, provided 88% protection against hospitalization and 91% against severe illness for an unspecified number of people studied between June 20 and July 17, according to a report Thursday from the health ministry.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-23/pfizer-shot-just-39-effective-in-halting-delta-israel-says

 

Now I understand better why they're giving these low percentages and high percentages at the same time. They're just not really being very clear that's the problem. And it causes a lot of confusion.

 

The 39% effectiveness means not getting covid at all. The over 90% is no "severe illness" and 88% hospitalization.

 

So, the vaccine is more about making sure you don't have a bad reaction or have to go to the hospital - then making sure you don't get it at all.

Edited July 23, 2021 by trottigy

[Ms. Piffle]

I do not know how reputable this site is that is carrying the link I'm posting.  It was including in my news break app.  But thought it was an interesting follow up read on the 40% vaccinated ones getting covid from earlier posts.  

 

"Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK’s chief scientific adviser, has announced that 40% of people admitted to hospital with COVID in the UK have had two doses of a coronavirus vaccine. At first glance, this rings very serious alarm bells, but it shouldn’t. " ...

 

https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0b5b8lR3?share_id=eyJ1c2VyaWQiOjE0MjMyMzQ1OSwiZG9jX2lkIjoiMGI1YjhsUjMiLCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE2MjcwNTU3Mjg1ODF9&s=a7&pd=09dApfWK&hl=en_US&lp=v2

Edited July 23, 2021 by Polka Dot

[Ms. Piffle]

In case the above link does not work...

 

https://theconversation.com/covid-the-reason-cases-are-rising-among-the-double-vaccinated-its-not-because-vaccines-arent-working-164797

[califlorican]

Another thing that’s been mentioned- the longer the virus goes on, the more it will mutate and the less effective the current vaccines could be. That doesn’t mean vaccination doesn’t work; it just means more work will be done for an updated vaccine and/or a booster might be needed to account for the variants.

[Lance]

Interesting how many are involved in disinformation..,

 

https://www.counterhate.com/disinformationdozen

 

Just twelve anti-vaxxers are responsible for almost two-thirds of anti-vaccine content circulating on social media platforms. This new analysis of content posted or shared to social media over 812,000 times between February and March uncovers how a tiny group of determined anti-vaxxers is responsible for a tidal wave of disinformation - and shows how platforms can fix it by enforcing their standards.

[Sofia]

7 hours ago, trottigy said:

So, the vaccine is more about making sure you don't have a bad reaction or have to go to the hospital - then making sure you don't get it at all.

exactly

[vern]

Its not a ttaditional vaccine.....

[AH173]

9 minutes ago, vern said:

Its not a ttaditional vaccine.....

Is the virus a traditional coronavirus??

[Sofia]

2 minutes ago, AH173 said:

Is the virus a traditional coronavirus??

nope, its definatly not!

[vern]

Yaa.. Interesting. Its not traditional anything.

[Lee49]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/24/us/hillsong-church-stephen-harmon-covid-vaccine/index.html  Vaccines are a 'personal decision,' Hillsong Church founder says after congregant refuses shot and dies of Covid-19

 

 Hillsong Church global senior pastor Brian Houston had announced the death of Stephen Harmon, who attended Hillsong in California, on social media this week.

Harmon had said on social media that he would not receive the vaccine, 

 He added he wouldn't get a vaccine even after recovery.

"Biden's door to door vaccine 'surveyors' really should be called JaCovid Witnesses. Harmon wrote the same day on Twitter.

[Nirex]

I'll say one thing, don't read the 'soulslosttocovid' tag on Twitter if you're still vaccine hesitant.

That was ... sobering and panic inducing. 😐

[carlos]

On 7/20/2021 at 4:19 PM, runner92 said:

Thank you also for pointing out that a lot of the reason conspiracy sites get posted is because the traditionally accepted sites remove it constantly, and a whole lot of the time they don't say the information was unfounded. It just straight up disappears and they act like it was never posted. That's a problem. There have been many articles and information from verified virologists and doctors that just disappears mysteriously. When you see that happen over and over, it makes you wonder: Is this just conspiracy or are they trying to hide information the public might want to know while making a decision? 

But Gabby, that is exactly the conspiracy mentality: If certain articles are removed it's because they are telling the truth the powers that be don't want revealed. But is that really the case, or are they removed because they are dangerous lies that cost lives if applied?

 

Think of it, there is no shortage in the internet of anti-vaxx or even covid negationist materials. Nobody is removing those. The authorities are not arresting the authors of those sites and videos. Even here at JWTalk some are posting videos which say there is no pandemic or that covid is actually caused by wifi. If people believe those videos, and many do, they will put themselves and others at risk.

 

Last year a very well known politician recommended injecting bleach to heal covid. You would think people are smart enough to realize that's an idiot suggestion, right? Well no! A number of people followed the advice and drank bleach or injected it into their bodies. And of course they suffered serious harm or even died. No matter how absurd or ridiculous an idea is, there will always be someone stupid enough to believe it. So, if videos recommending bleach to fight covid are removed from Youtube, is that because the authorities want to hide the truth or is it to prevent idiots from poisoning themselves?

 

It's the same with many of those "verified doctors" saying there is no pandemic or that vaccines are a scheme to decimate the population. Anyone can record a video and say they are a doctor. Here in Spain a certain "doctor" became very popular among negationists. He said there was no virus, no masks needed, no social distancing or lockdowns were necessary. Then it was brought up to light that he was a doctor indeed, but a podiatrist. He surely knew a lot about feet, but didn't know about virus more than you or me.

 

 

[AH173]

3 hours ago, carlos said:

Then it was brought up to light that he was a doctor indeed, but a podiatrist. He surely knew a lot about feet, but didn't know about virus more than you or me.

Maybe an expert on Covid Toe (feet) then??