Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Sofia]

https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu-china/news/china-plans-to-present-proposal-for-ukraine-russia-peace-talks/

[Sun]

34 minutes ago, Sofia said:

https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu-china/news/china-plans-to-present-proposal-for-ukraine-russia-peace-talks/

 

 

If peace and security have to come, China has a great impact on the world and therefore it makes a lot of sense for the prophecy to happen, but of course, we have to wait to see it, but I must confess that I think the same, that for that reason side, a large-scale declaration of peace is possible.

[Sofia]

Daniel prophecy states that the KOTN by the end will have no helpers.

we can expect that with time Russia loses it s allies 

we don’t know is when it will happen…

[Tortuga]

The Pure Worship book makes an interesting comment in a footnote in chapter 17. It says

"The four attacks foretold to come upon God’s people—by Gog of Magog, by the king of the north, by the kings of the earth, and by the Assyrian—may refer to the same attack under different names."

So it seems that a discussion about P&S, the GT and Armageddon should include information about all four attacks, not just one. Has anyone compared the information about all four attacks to what is currently happening in the world?

[Sun]

As the book Pure Worship explains
in chapter 18,
after the destruction
of all the false religions
in the world,
it is very likely
that Jehovah will have his servants
a final message of judgment;
a very harsh message,
hurtful to some.
We may have to declare
that the political system
is about to come to an end.
And it is to be hoped
that the kings of the Earth
will not like this message at all.
The Bible,
in chapter 38 of the book of Ezekiel,
says that these kings will attack us
in their role of Gog of Magog.
As the servants of God
we are all over the world,
these kings mentioned in the Bible
will have to work together
at the international level
to attack us all at the same time.
For that, they will have to become allies,
that is to say, they will have to unite.
And that is the reason
why our most recent publications
most recent
say that Gog of Magog is a union,
or a coalition, of nations. - This is from a part of morning worship by Hermanus van Selm: Obedience Is a Protection (2 Thess. 1:8).

[jrnievas]

4 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Has anyone compared the information about all four attacks to what is currently happening in the world?

As I observed, I often see nations now are 'gathered' to solve mankind's problem—pandemic, war, civil conflicts, etc.

 

 

 

Rev. 16:14 states that they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together

 

 

 

We know Jehovah will maneuver things, so that these events will lead to the declaration of P&S, and will lead to fulfilment other prophecy.

Edited February 19, 2023 by Shawnster

[Sofia]

1 hour ago, Tortuga said:

The Pure Worship book makes an interesting comment in a footnote in chapter 17. It says

"The four attacks foretold to come upon God’s people—by Gog of Magog, by the king of the north, by the kings of the earth, and by the Assyrian—may refer to the same attack under different names."

So it seems that a discussion about P&S, the GT and Armageddon should include information about all four attacks, not just one. Has anyone compared the information about all four attacks to what is currently happening in the world?

There´s no plan at the moment to destroy religions, much less the true worship. 

We can see that the "waters" are drying out more and more. The sex abuse scandalls at the chrch are disturbing even the most devoted catholics. That´s leading to absentism, people are losing their faith, losing trust in the priests... Some say to me they are ashamed to be catholic. 

This is paving the way to their future doom.

About P&S... of course.. we will read a lot about it this year. Many meetings, summits etc will bring UN resolutions to condemn the Russian Federation and claim for Peace.

It´s now obvious that most nations see this conflict has worldwide repercussions. This is clearly evident : Russia VS West.

KOTN VS KOTS

Daniel´s prophecy will be fullfilled in the smallest coma, in the littlest word, in the tiniest detail. 

We will see many invasions of land before KOTN comes to it´s end.

by this time... GT will pop up. (Dan. 12:1)

[Shawnster]

4 hours ago, Sofia said:

Daniel prophecy states that the KOTN by the end will have no helpers.

we can expect that with time Russia loses it s allies 

we don’t know is when it will happen…

Why do you conclude the scripture refers to Russia not having any allies? Is that our current understanding? Is that the only application possible for the scripture in Daniel? 

[Dhanyel]

9 hours ago, jrnievas said:

Como observei, muitas vezes vejo nações agora 'reunidas' para resolver o problema da humanidade - pandemia, guerra, conflitos civis, etc.

 

 

 

Apocalipse 16:14 afirma que eles vão aos reis de toda a terra habitada, para reuni-los

 

 

 

Sabemos que Jeová manobrará as coisas, para que esses eventos levem à declaração de P&S e levem ao cumprimento de outras profecias.

 But to be clear, everything related to peace and security comes from satan as demonic propaganda, so much so that Jehovah said , Jeremiah 8:11 And they try to heal the breakdown of the daughter of my people lightly, saying, “There is peace! There is peace!”When there is no peace.

[New World Explorer]

China is considering giving Russia weapons and ammunition for the Ukraine war, US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken has said.

Mr Blinken told CBS News that Chinese companies were already providing "non-lethal support" to Russia - and new information suggested Beijing could provide "lethal support".

This escalation would mean "serious consequences" for China, he warned.

China has denied reports that Moscow has requested military equipment.

 

Chinese President Xi Jinping is an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin and is yet to condemn Russia's invasion - but he has sought to remain neutral in the conflict and has called for peace.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64695042

[Sofia]

8 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Why do you conclude the scripture refers to Russia not having any allies? Is that our current understanding? Is that the only application possible for the scripture in Daniel? 

We can expect because the Russian federation is being isolated 

expected … doesn’t mean it will be fullfilled now it can be fullfilled later

daniel says he will have no helper

 

[JennyM]

 

 

[Hotteok]

This is confusing.

China is trying to help Russia but at the same time thinking of making peace?

[Dages]

The KotN is Russia and its allies... it's not Russia only... and China is probably Russia main ally.

[WestBro]

11 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Why do you conclude the scripture refers to Russia not having any allies? Is that our current understanding? Is that the only application possible for the scripture in Daniel? 

 

Our current understanding involves what it says The Watchtower, 5/2020, pp. 15-16:

 

This attack by the king of the north, acting along with the rest of the world’s governments, provokes the Almighty and brings on the war of Armageddon. (Rev. 16:14, 16) At that time, the king of the north, along with the rest of the nations that make up Gog of Magog, comes to his end, and there will be “no helper for him”.—Dan. 11:45.

 

So far, we understand that the actions of the king of the north and the consequences of the final verses of Daniel 11 will be followed by all the kings of the world. We have to wait and see how Russia will fare on the world stage. She still has allies, including China, which is also generating major diplomatic crises with the king of the south.

[Sofia]

2 hours ago, Hotteok said:

This is confusing.

China is trying to help Russia but at the same time thinking of making peace?

I was about to say the same thing

obviously someone is deceiving 

[Shawnster]

6 hours ago, Sofia said:

We can expect because the Russian federation is being isolated 

expected … doesn’t mean it will be fullfilled now it can be fullfilled later

daniel says he will have no helper

 

 

The application of this scripture has nothing to do with Russia losing allies or becoming isolated because nations withdrew their support.  No, the application or fulfillment of this scripture is spiritual. 

 

*** dp chap. 16 p. 285 par. 28 The Contending Kings Near Their End ***

28 The final campaign of the king of the north is not directed against the king of the south. Therefore, the king of the north does not come to his end at the hands of his great rival. Similarly, the king of the south is not destroyed by the king of the north. The king of the south is destroyed, “without [human] hand,” by God’s Kingdom.a (Daniel 8:25) In fact, at the battle of Armageddon, all earthly kings are to be removed by God’s Kingdom, and this evidently is what happens to the king of the north. (Daniel 2:44) Daniel 11:44, 45 describes events leading up to that final battle. No wonder “there will be no helper” when the king of the north meets his end!

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1101999036&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=38

 

Notice the points I put in bold.  At the battle of Armageddon there will be no helper for the King of the North. The fulfillment of this scripture is that nobody can stand against Jehovah. There will be no one, no ally, no nation that will be able to help the King of the North avoid Jehovah's anger and survive destruction at Armageddon. 

 

The Bible is not saying all of Russia's allies will abandon Russia and that Russia will be isolated on the world scene.

 

Such a situation might happen but, if it does, it won't be because that is what the Bible prophecied.  This is a prophecy about Armageddon. 

[Shawnster]

6 hours ago, Hotteok said:

This is confusing.

China is trying to help Russia but at the same time thinking of making peace?

You could likely expect any peace solution proposed by China to be skewed in favor of Russian goals 

[Dustparticle]

What is new? https://www.yahoo.com/news/lethal-chinese-gifts-putin-could-183103319.html

[JennyM]

 

getting worse in sri lanka 

Now, economic crisis in Pakistan. 

Whats next? 

[Dhanyel]

Meanwhile presidents and heads of state continue to visit Ukraine, today it was the US president's turn

[JennyM]

 

[Dhanyel]

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[jrnievas]

As I watch this video, I imagine the people at the time of the Great Tribulation.

 

People are so afraid, they didn't know what will happen next. They feel confused and terrified. Police vehicles are outside. People are out there seeking help but the government can't do anything. It was a time of great tribulation. A stressful sight. No one can help them. Neither the government or any organization on earth are unable to give help to the people.

 

“Also, there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation. People will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.” Luke 21:25, 26

 

"Then the kings of the earth, the high officials, the military commanders, the rich, the strong, every slave, and every free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains." (Rev. 9:15)

 

https://youtu.be/qWAueLi_oJA

[jrnievas]