The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[Life4u]

2 hours ago, Bob said:

apartment building units that share the same ventilation system, you're asking for trouble. When someone smokes downstairs in their unit, the smoke is carried up through your vents. Sometimes you know if someone is smoking. So if they have covid and are contaminating the air, if you're running AC or your heat, that same air is circulating throughout the entire building and you can possibly become infected during a lockdown. 

 

You need ventilation, which means you need to be either outdoors, or have access to outside air. There was good study I read about this concerning the Spanish Flu:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504358/?fbclid=IwAR3yvft6DcHdogj_mmlX0WscCci8xVqeHWCKs-iWSmy0bijWHWtOIXc44_Y

That's what I'm facing in my apartment building. Other people second hand smoke thru the vents, and very strongly. Smells as if I'm smoking. 

Thanks for backing up my thoughts.  Funny thing is, my property manager sent out notifications to let us know that someone in the community of these apartments have been infected with the virus mind you! But wouldn't say who, what building or anything.  But we renters can't go into the office because of COVID-19. But we can catch it from people here passing in and out.  It doesn't make sense to me.  It's like fend for yourself, but we are safely in our office where you are not allowed. 

[Jothob]

In the meantime here in the UK.......

 

 

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-face-coverings-to-become-mandatory-in-english-shops-12027960

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

I believe disturbing trend of Government trying to micromanage behavior and legislate common sense.

If they didn't, then wearing masks would be even less. I didn't wear a mask until it became law.  If the government did not issue the order, then the situation would be even worse. 

[BenJepthah]

All these things come down to personal responsibility. Bob I wouldn’t enforce it either. That will be the job of law enforcement. If they cannot or will not enforce it because they are being threatened with defunding or are already overburdened I can’t blame them either. What a headache .  That said.   What a lesson for people. Coddled , told that everything they could want or need will be provided for them. Security, income , housing, even food . And that each and every snowflake one of them is special and that their feelings are more important than anything else. This is the result an entitled population with no concern for anyone but themselves. 
    I know that sounds harsh. But it’s a lot less harsh than this virus is going to treat them. Or more importantly, their grandparents. 

[Bob]

Just now, Shawnster said:

If they didn't, then wearing masks would be even less. I didn't wear a mask until it became law.  If the government did not issue the order, then the situation would be even worse. 

Who knows? We can speculate either way. 

[BenJepthah]

2 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

If they didn't, then wearing masks would be even less. I didn't wear a mask until it became law.  If the government did not issue the order, then the situation would be even worse. 

The problem is that before it was a law that we had to wear masks it was very often illegal to wear masks.  This is almost a complete 180. 

[Hope]

9 minutes ago, BenJepthah said:

The problem is that before it was a law that we had to wear masks it was very often illegal to wear masks.  This is almost a complete 180. 

Yes. And? Things very often do change on a dime, especially regarding new or unknown situations like global pandemics. Advice changes when new information becomes clear. 

 

I'd think that we as Witnesses would be used to accepting changes in understanding without too much grief.  Governmental regulations are not inspired by any means. But we're expected to comply as giving Caesar's things to Caesar.  Adopting the world's selfish attitude and suspicion of these regulations could be dangerous. Aren't we meant to be exemplary? 

 

Disease doesn't play politics.

[Shawnster]

8 minutes ago, Bob said:

Who knows? We can speculate either way. 

We can look at all the other things in the world that are legislated now but not before or all the things that are legislated in one state but not the other.  There is enough data available to inform us on human behavior when it comes to their rights vs. the law. 

 

Sest belts and littering are two examples.  Many people did not voluntarily wear seat belts or keep their trash picked up.  Once legislation passed there was a noticeable improvement. 

 

Same can be seen with pollution regulation.  Where and when there is no pollution controls there is rampant pollution.  The air is cleaner in places with legislation. 

 

Speeding and stop signs are another example.  You tell me, what do you think.  Would more people drive faster if there were no speed limits?  Would more people drive cautiously if there were no traffic laws?  What is driving like in parts of the world where there are fewer traffic restrictions? 

 

People are selfish.  That is human nature.  2 Timothy 3:1-5.  

[Tortuga]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

Personally, I have no problem with sharing this with brothers, my wife works in retail, and seeing the nationwide confrontations with employees and the public about masks wearing, she will not be enforcing this at her store. I asked her not to. 

 

The first time she did attempt to saying something back in May, she got a death stare from a woman. A caller on a radio show was confronted this past weekend by a customer who said he was ready to fight people who tried to force him to wear a mask. 

 

Sorry, leave it up to the businesses. I believe it is wrong to deputize people like my wife and make them defacto law enforcement. I'm not planning on enforcing this in my office either. 

Does her place of employment have a dress code for customers that your wife is required to enforce? 

[Bob]

3 minutes ago, Mephibosheth said:

Does her place of employment have a dress code for customers that your wife is required to enforce? 

No. 

[Bob]

21 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

We can look at all the other things in the world that are legislated now but not before or all the things that are legislated in one state but not the other.  There is enough data available to inform us on human behavior when it comes to their rights vs. the law. 

And does human behavior improve with more laws being enacted? Usually, outside of a dictatorial government, rules are the response to bad behavior. So it stands to reason, the more laws you have, the more people will push back against them. 

Edited July 13, 2020 by Bob

[Tortuga]

3 minutes ago, Bob said:

No. 

So the business doesn't have a "No Shirt. No Shoes, No Service" policy or anything similar that she would need to comply with?

[Bob]

1 minute ago, Mephibosheth said:

So the business doesn't have a "No Shirt. No Shoes, No Service" policy or anything similar that she would need to comply with?

No. Actually. I'm saying she's not asked to enforce ANY dress code. 

[Tortuga]

2 minutes ago, Bob said:

No. Actually. I'm saying she's not asked to enforce ANY dress code. 

Many businesses in our area require shoes and shirt for service, some have signs stating that bathing suits are not allowed. The employee is required to remind customers to comply with the dress policy. 

[Mykyl]

3 minutes ago, Bob said:

And does human behavior improve with more laws being enacted?

I think it does. 

On a similar note I noticed a while ago that when signs in parks say please keep dogs on a leash in parks, most folks ignored the signs. It was like they saw politeness as a would be nice if you did this.

When the sign said keep your dogs on leads, most seem to obey. People seem to need demands nowadays rather than polite requests. Strange bunch but not unexpected.

 

My wife works in a supermarket and it is mandatory to wear masks in shops. Staff are not to enforce it though (too dangerous) but they are to call the police who will fine them on the spot.

How that will actually work? We don't know but it sounds nice.

[Bob]

1 minute ago, Mephibosheth said:

Many businesses in our area require shoes and shirt for service, some have signs stating that bathing suits are not allowed. The employee is required to remind customers to comply with the dress policy. 

Well, there are no "no shirt" etc signs on the doors of her business. So there is no enforcement expectation. This is a different situation because of how people are reacting to being told to wear a mask. They are reacting violently. This is not the same as the ordinary "no shirt" etc policy. 

[Bob]

8 minutes ago, Mykyl said:

I think it does. 

On a similar note I noticed a while ago that when signs in parks say please keep dogs on a leash in parks, most folks ignored the signs. It was like they saw politeness as a would be nice if you did this.

When the sign said keep your dogs on leads, most seem to obey. People seem to need demands nowadays rather than polite requests. Strange bunch but not unexpected.

 

My wife works in a supermarket and it is mandatory to wear masks in shops. Staff are not to enforce it though (too dangerous) but they are to call the police who will fine them on the spot.

How that will actually work? We don't know but it sounds nice.

Well, that's why I said that laws are often the response to bad/unlawful behavior. The mask policies should be evidence of this. People were not reacting so violently until the government began forcing them to be worn. 

[Tortuga]

2 minutes ago, Bob said:

Well, there are no "no shirt" etc signs on the doors of her business. So there is no enforcement expectation. This is a different situation because of how people are reacting to being told to wear a mask. They are reacting violently. This is not the same as the ordinary "no shirt" etc policy. 

Interesting, so it's more like public nudity. Dont get involved, just call the police?

[Bob]

Just now, Mephibosheth said:

Interesting, so it's more like public nudity. Dont get involved, just call the police?

lol

 

If a person is nude in public, they're probably "off" anyway and probably shouldn't be messed with!

[Mykyl]

Just now, Bob said:

Well, that's why I said that laws are often the response to bad/unlawful behavior. The mask policies should be evidence of this. People were not reacting so violently until the government began forcing them to be worn. 

I wish you would be a little clearer in what your saying. The comment above seems to agree and disagree with me. Lol. Im confused. 🤪

[Tortuga]

Just now, Bob said:

lol

 

If a person is nude in public, they're probably "off" anyway and probably shouldn't be messed with!

To be honest, that how I feel about anyone I see in public without a mask.

[Bob]

2 minutes ago, Mephibosheth said:

To be honest, that how I feel about anyone I see in public without a mask.

Are you sure you mean "in public"?  Even walking by themselves in a park or on a public sidewalk? I'm maskless when I'm in "public" driving, or walking in a park or down an empty sidewalk.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Bob

[BenJepthah]

9 minutes ago, Bob said:

Are you sure you mean "in public"?  Even walking by themselves in a park or on a public sidewalk? I'm maskless when I'm in "public" driving, or walking in a park or down an empty sidewalk.

But if you are truly walking alone in a park or down an empty sidewalk then ..who would be there to see you and think your a little off? 🤔

Edited July 13, 2020 by BenJepthah

[Bob]

Just now, BenJepthah said:

But if you are truly walking alone in a park or down an empty sidewalk then ..who would be there to see you and think your a little off? 🤔

lol

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

And does human behavior improve with more laws being enacted? Usually, outside of a dictatorial government, rules are the response to bad behavior. So it stands to reason, the more laws you have, the more people will push back against them. 

Sure it does, to a point.  Lawful countries are better places to live than lawless countries.  Just look at Somalia or any other failed state for proof. 

 

Like I said, to a point.  A too restrict regime pushes citizens to revolution. 

 

Just like a family.  Households with too lax of rules tend to have horrible children.  Households with too restrictive parents have horrible children.  Healthy children result from balanced parenting.