October 2019 Study Edition

[Shawnster]

13 hours ago, Brother Jack said:

It would makes sense that Jehovah would protect us during the hailstone message since it would be impossible to get it done with so many people viciously attacking us. I hope this ends up being the case.

I’ve always wondered how that could be when there’s still places we haven’t reached yet. I know we won’t “complete the circuit” before the end comes but that has always seemed like a tough one to say.

That's why the Watchtower was worded like it was. "Continues to be fulfilled." its an ongoing process. Jesus said we won't stop preaching before the end. So we will never reach the goal. We will come close.  

 

 

[New World Explorer]

15 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

That's why the Watchtower was worded like it was. "Continues to be fulfilled." its an ongoing process. Jesus said we won't stop preaching before the end. So we will never reach the goal. We will come close.  

 

 

Yes, we will continue to preach, and during GT our message will likely change to from good news to "bad" news

 

May I share what our CO said this Sunday during his talk?

 

He said, we do not preach ..now we try to teach,  and if someone does not respond we move on ..simply there is not much time left, we do not have years brothers.

(don't know if that was in his outline, but it was shared during his concluding talk)

 

 

[Bek]

On 6/28/2019 at 12:27 AM, Bluebell said:

STUDY ARTICLE 40

 

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...motivate people to make the truth their own by applying what they learn, dedicating their life to Jehovah, and getting baptized. Only then will they survive Jehovah’s day.

When I saw this I immediately thought of my boy and do not really know what will happen to him.

 

Talked to him earlier in the day briefly about this magazine. Even if the Great Tribulation started in 3 years, he would still be too young in his mum's care. I am not sure his mum will let him study the Bible let alone attend the meetings. 🙁

 

So making the truth one's own means to apply it or live by it as a baptised person then. 

 

 

Edited July 1, 2019 by Bek

[JennyM]

39 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

Yes, we will continue to preach, and during GT our message will likely change to from good news to "bad" news

 

May I share what our CO said this Sunday during his talk?

 

He said, we do not preach ..now we try to teach,  and if someone does not respond we move on ..simply there is not much time left, we do not have years brothers.

(don't know if that was in his outline, but it was shared during his concluding talk)

 

 

Thanks for sharing.. Our next CO visit will in august or Sept. 

[GrumpysWife]

2 hours ago, Bek said:

When I saw this I immediately thought of my boy and do not really know what will happen to him.

 

Talked to him earlier in the day briefly about this magazine. Even if the Great Tribulation started in 3 years, he would still be too young in his mum's care. I am not sure his mum will let him study the Bible let alone attend the meetings. 🙁

 

So making the truth one's own means to apply it or live by it as a baptised person then. 

 

 

How old is your son? If his circumstances are that he can't make a stand because he lives with an unbeliving mate and is not allowed to make his choice, it seems to me that Jehovah's mercy would cover him because of you. When my children were little I used to worry about them until I made myself sick. A dear brother told me that Jehovah knows how to protect our children if we are unable to help them. Have faith in his mercy. Keep strong yourself and do your best to help your son love Jehovah.

[Bek]

3 minutes ago, GrumpysWife said:

How old is your son? If his circumstances are that he can't make a stand because he lives with an unbeliving mate and is not allowed to make his choice, it seems to me that Jehovah's mercy would cover him because of you. When my children were little I used to worry about them until I made myself sick. A dear brother told me that Jehovah knows how to protect our children if we are unable to help them. Have faith in his mercy. Keep strong yourself and do your best to help your son love Jehovah.

He will be 11 in two weeks. Ok, thank you, sister. I will remember that.  

[Mike]

Thanks for sharing.. Our next CO visit will in august or Sept. 

I appreciate his comment about the focus on teaching, but I’m pretty sure we must still be preaching. Otherwise we wouldn’t have articles like this: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402018404


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[JennyM]

2 minutes ago, Mike said:

I appreciate his comment about the focus on teaching, but I’m pretty sure we must still be preaching. Otherwise we wouldn’t have articles like this: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402018404


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We still preach for sure .. But our focus now is the rightly disposed ones, 2 videos were shown this year about that in our  CLM of our midweek meeting. "how to stop unproductive bible study." and the "organization accomplishment" 

 

That article was written in 2018. 

 

 

[Thesauron]

We still preach for sure .. But our focus now is the rightly disposed ones, 2 videos were shown this year about that in our  CLM of our midweek meeting. "how to stop unproductive bible study." and the "organization accomplishment" 
 
That article was written in 2018. 
 
 

Yes, if you haven’t stopped any unproductive bible studies yet, now’s the time.

[carlos]

4 hours ago, Bek said:

When I saw this I immediately thought of my boy and do not really know what will happen to him.

Nurzat, we have discussed this before. That statement in The Watchtower is general, not absolute. 

 

1 Corinthians 7:14 explains that the children of faithful Christians parents who are too young to dedicate themselves  are "holy" and will be saved together with their believing parent. You can do some research on that scripture and see what our publications have explained about it. 

 

That paragraph in the article is not addressed at little children but at those who already know the Truth but haven't made the steps to dedicate themselves and become baptized Christians. Jehovah expects us to take a clear stand with him without delay.

[Bek]

27 minutes ago, carlos said:

Nurzat, we have discussed this before. That statement in The Watchtower is general, not absolute. 

 

1 Corinthians 7:14 explains that the children of faithful Christians parents who are too young to dedicate themselves  are "holy" and will be saved together with their believing parent. You can do some research on that scripture and see what our publications have explained about it. 

 

That paragraph in the article is not addressed at little children but at those who already know the Truth but haven't made the steps to dedicate themselves and become baptized Christians. Jehovah expects us to take a clear stand with him without delay.

Thank you, Carlos. Yes, we did, but this info is the latest. Besides, I have been told that technically I am "almost a brother". So I don't know if I myself have been sanctified as an unbaptised person. Assuming that I am unsanctified, how can my son be sanctified through me? 

 

 

Edited July 1, 2019 by Bek

[Dages]

1 hour ago, Bek said:

Thank you, Carlos. Yes, we did, but this info is the latest. Besides, I have been told that technically I am "almost a brother". So I don't know if I myself have been sanctified as an unbaptised person. Assuming that I am unsanctified, how can my son be sanctified through me? 

Faith is faith, man, continue putting Jehovah first, He will bless. Do not worry, Phil 4 was last midweek part, wasn't it? Paul wrote that under Jehovah's spirit, Jesus said the same. Everything will be ok.

[New World Explorer]

7 hours ago, Mike said:

I appreciate his comment about the focus on teaching, but I’m pretty sure we must still be preaching. Otherwise we wouldn’t have articles like this: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402018404


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Of course, you missed the point ... let’s rephrase his comments ... 

We preach using teaching skills so they can respond better and faster, because time is limited 

Edited July 1, 2019 by New World Explorer

[carlos]

5 hours ago, Bek said:

Thank you, Carlos. Yes, we did, but this info is the latest. Besides, I have been told that technically I am "almost a brother". So I don't know if I myself have been sanctified as an unbaptised person. Assuming that I am unsanctified, how can my son be sanctified through me? 

This latest info doesn't contradict the previous one. How could it, if it's what the Bible says?  This article was conceived with a target audience: Christians and those who know the Truth. Within that context, the statement is accurate. Taking sides with Jehovah, dedicating our life to him and keeping faithful afterwards is the only way to make sure we will be saved. The article is not discussing children but adults.

 

As for your being unbaptized, this is a call of attention. The same as all of us, you need to make sure you are making progress and working towards your dedication and living up to it. Of course, Jehovah sees what is in our heart. It's not just a ceremony (baptism) that saves, but our taking sides with Jehovah and living for him. Jehovah knows those who love him, and if they are holy their children are holy too. 

[Hugh O'D]

6 hours ago, Bek said:

 I have been told that technically I am "almost a brother". So I don't know if I myself have been sanctified as an unbaptised person.

Hi Bek. Read what Carlos has said again, learn more about Jehovah, draw closer to him and show you're doing so. There can be a tendency for us to focus on who won't be getting a resurrection but Jehovah's focus is on saving lives, our problem is we focus on a narrow snapshot but Jehovah focuses on a wider view (for example David Splane's recent talk where he discussed David's brother Eliab).

 

Remember too that Jehovah is a Father to the Fatherless boy. Take sides with Jehovah, don't panic but do pray when you meet him and his Mother, show them both kindness, especially when you don't receive it, and remember that when we do our best Jehovah will do the rest. Agape.

[Hugh O'D]

11 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

He said, we do not preach ..now we try to teach,  and if someone does not respond we move on ..simply there is not much time left, we do not have years brothers.

(don't know if that was in his outline, but it was shared during his concluding talk)

Interesting, our CO is at the end of the month, I'll know on the 28th if it was outline or his words.

[jwhess]

There is s significant emphasis on Teaching.  Our video training for initial calls is teaching  ...intro...scripture....explanation...link to next scripture on next visit.

 

"Religion is a Snare and a Racket" is a preaching mode ...an announcement or proclamation.

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

There is s significant emphasis on Teaching.

"Religion is a Snare and a Racket" is a preaching mode ...an announcement or proclamation.

I could imagine when we get to the 'Hailstone' message it might revert to Preaching....

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[Jf800]

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[JennyM]

2 hours ago, Hugh O'D said:

Interesting, our CO is at the end of the month, I'll know on the 28th if it was outline or his words.

Or perhaps the outline is still based on Isaiah 54:17... Ireland seems to be late.. 

[carlos]

7 hours ago, Hugh O'D said:

Interesting, our CO is at the end of the month, I'll know on the 28th if it was outline or his words.

It was clearly a personal comment.

 

The Slave can't never say "we don't have years" because that's setting a date. If we don't have years that means literally that the end will come within the next year. The Slave uses terms such as "imminent" or "just around the corner" that convey the urgency but without setting any specific time limits.

 

We had our CO visit to weeks ago and he said we're living in the last of the last days. 

[New World Explorer]

56 minutes ago, carlos said:

It was clearly a personal comment.

 

The Slave can't never say "we don't have years" because that's setting a date. If we don't have years that means literally that the end will come within the next year. The Slave uses terms such as "imminent" or "just around the corner" that convey the urgency but without setting any specific time limits.

 

We had our CO visit to weeks ago and he said we're living in the last of the last days. 

Its possible that in the direction from FDS, on how to deliver an outline ..there was something along those lines ....

”Present information stressing real urgency of times” 

Various CO’ s would give different spin on it. 

 

[Mykyl]

10 hours ago, carlos said:

This latest info doesn't contradict the previous one. How could it, if it's what the Bible says?  This article was conceived with a target audience: Christians and those who know the Truth. Within that context, the statement is accurate. Taking sides with Jehovah, dedicating our life to him and keeping faithful afterwards is the only way to make sure we will be saved. 

Carlos.

There are two statements in those articles. One for us only, as you have mentioned, and another to remind us of those who are not currently on Jehovahs side.

This other section says this "Let us remember that once the great tribulation begins, it will be too late for people to turn to Jehovah." It then adds "That is why our preaching work is so urgent! "

 

This message is to remind us that those on the outside need us to preach now as at that point it will be too late. The work is urgent because of this.

 

Once the GT starts they will not be able to change their minds at that point. That point is very clear.

 

It should remind us not to muck around with others lives.

Edited July 2, 2019 by Mykyl

[Jako]

Interesting two pics. In one you see the friends looking forward with smiles and as if they are holding their hands out. The little girl is even clapping or excited.

 

 

On the Cover page, when Jesus and the 140000 come riding in, the same group of people is facing an army. 

 

Maybe it shows that while we are preparing for the GT, we are still inviting others, but then how Jehovah will protect during GT & Armageddon?

 

[Jako]

I wonder if the two riders on either side of Jesus is the Sons of Thunder?