Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[Qapla]

A police officer is not an elected official - but, he is a superior authority and we are to follow their direction. Don't think so, try not stopping when one turns on his lights and see what happens ...

 

 

[Bob]

4 minutes ago, Qapla said:

A police officer is not an elected official - but, he is a superior authority and we are to follow their direction. Don't think so, try not stopping when one turns on his lights and see what happens ...

Good point. But they are law enforcement. I think a cop and some health official occupy separate spaces. Health officials don't ensure the government is obeyed.

Edited December 17, 2020 by Bob

[sunshine]

4 hours ago, Bob said:

Yeah we don’t know but we do become immune after we recover. 
 

The survival rate depends on age and health, but overall it’s like 99.96 or something like that, so it’s actually very high survival rate.

The vaccine is I think estimated to have a 95% success rate...obviously when you compare 5% with possible lighter symptoms if vaccinated, with the  0.4 % that can survive without it,  it seems to me  the science isn't in yet which is better vaccination or naturel immunity.  Still, we must try and not let these shocking figures fighten us.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/11/18/pfizer-ends-covid-19-vaccine-trial-with-95-success-rate

 

Edited December 17, 2020 by sunshine

[Qapla]

Our County Health Department does have health enforcement powers - they can declare health emergencies and other health warnings and stop certain actions that cause health concerns ... I think that puts them in a position of superior authorities.

 

Of course, if we do not WANT to have to do as the appointed health officials ask us (things that are not Scripturally wrong) I guess we can always not view them the same as other appointed officials.

 

The FCC, SEC, DOT and other Government departments all make regulations that are enforced - and these are appointed not elected to their position.

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, AH173 said:

I remember when I pointed this out to a member weeks and months ago. Oh the backlash. Oh the backlash. 

Sorry, that was me. At the time I thought novel meant a paperback story 

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

That's a good point. Are UNELECTED health officials (in the US anyway) the "superior authorities"?

 

I don't think so. Presidents, Governors, and Mayors are for sure. That's an interesting question, to be honest.

The superior authorities, though, base their decisions in the advice of the unelected health officials.  So, at the end of the day, isn't it all the same?  The unelected health official makes a suggestion, the superior authorities implement the suggestion, and Christians obey the implemented laws. 

 

Not all superior authorities are elected. Police are not elected. Soldiers are not elected.  Yet we would listen to these superior authorities. 

[Bob]

2 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

The superior authorities, though, base their decisions in the advice of the unelected health officials.  So, at the end of the day, isn't it all the same?  The unelected health official makes a suggestion, the superior authorities implement the suggestion, and Christians obey the implemented laws. 

 

Not all superior authorities are elected. Police are not elected. Soldiers are not elected.  Yet we would listen to these superior authorities. 

Yeah they do. But if Fauci says something on his own accord, I don't have to listen to him. The police, are an extension of the Government. Their job is to enforce what laws are enacted by said Government.

 

Hmm.. I am not trying to undercut the GB or the Authorities. I love talking about this, however. 

[AH173]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Sorry, that was me. At the time I thought novel meant a paperback story 

It was another member.

 

 

And my reply at the time in September.

 

 

[Fallbrookian]

A quote from the Mercola website:

 

If the COVID-19 pandemic is teaching us anything, it's the importance of being healthy and having a robust immune response. Aside from old age, people with underlying health conditions such as diabetes and heart disease are at increased risk of complications from the disease, and obesity has been found to be the biggest determinant — after old age — for whether a patient will require hospitalization.^1,2 

Obese COVID-19 patients are even at greater risk than those with cardiovascular disease or heart disease, according to NYU Grossman School researchers.³ This shouldn't come as a tremendous surprise, considering previous studies^4,5,6,7,8,9 have linked obesity to lowered immune function and increased risk of infection.

 

The good news, of course, is that you have a lot of control over your own health. Obesity, insulin resistance, Type 2 diabetes and heart disease are all reversible, and if you want to prepare for the next pandemic (which is already being promised), you'd be wise to start improving your health rather than simply masking or "managing" your symptoms with drugs.

 

[pnutts]

A couple pages back someone mentioned youngest person to die.... In province of Manitoba it was a 9 year old boy. Youngest to get infected somewhere was fairly new born.

[Qapla]

This was from August

 

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A 6-year-old girl has become the youngest person known to die of COVID-19 in Florida. Eight children under the age of 18 years old have died of the virus in Florida, according to the health department's pediatric report.

 

I do not know what the current statistics on age are here in Florida

[Old]

4 hours ago, Nancy M said:

A quote from the Mercola website:

 

 

 

The good news, of course, is that you have a lot of control over your own health. Obesity, insulin resistance, Type 2 diabetes and heart disease are all reversible, and if you want to prepare for the next pandemic (which is already being promised), you'd be wise to start improving your health rather than simply masking or "managing" your symptoms with drugs.

 

It is not that easy to reclaim good health after experiencing the bad health you describe. We have only minimal control over our health in our later years. Outside of being over weight I have CHF of which I have no control over. The friends I know with type 2 diabetes struggle with it day by day.  Good health is not a Pollyanna thing, it is sometimes our brothers and sisters struggle with every day of their lives. Easy for you, maybe but not for most. Throw the the green stuff into your blender and enjoy your temporary health. I did nothing to earn CFG, my blood sugar levels are fine, blood pressure OK but that is not the case for most of our friend my age. Enjoy your good health but do not lay it on those that that suffer, it is not there fault. 

 

[Naturale]

14 hours ago, hatcheckgirl said:

And we want to follow what the GB has said regarding following advice of superior authorities, who base their decisions on the medical advice of the time. 

The fact is that the GB don't quote the bible and say we have to have the vaccine.  Rather they simply say it is a personal choice      

    "We consider vaccination to be a personal matter"

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Naturale said:

The fact is that the GB don't quote the bible and say we have to have the vaccine.  Rather they simply say it is a personal choice      

    "We consider vaccination to be a personal matter"

Lucy's point was more along following directions on social distancing, mask wearing, and hand washing.  The context of her comment was in response to statements critical of the directions of the superior authorities. 

 

Nothing was said about vaccines and it is not necessary to beat that drum at every opportunity. 

[runner92]

EEOC has now said employers can mandate you have this vaccine. Here we go....

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/covid-19-vaccine-employers-exclude-unvaccinated-workers/

 

 

[friendlyone]

This point might have already been made along the way in this thread, but it's amazing the strange ideas some people have as far as the Pfizer vaccination is concerned.

 

I saw a news report on the TV a couple of days ago in which some of those in ethnic minorities were being asked if they would consider taking the vaccine. People in certain ethnic groups are considered more vulnerable from the covid-19 virus. Yet, they are often the ones who are most reluctant to accept the vaccine. And, I was shocked that in one case one young man was adamant that he'd been told that every injection contains a tracker so that the government could know where you are at any given moment. Wow! Where do people get such misinformation? 🤕

[WilliamChew]

9 minutes ago, friendlyone said:

And, I was shocked that in one case one young man was adamant that he'd been told that every injection contains a tracker so that the government could know where you are at any given moment. Wow! Where do people get such misinformation? 🤕

This nanobot conspiracy (which he debunked) was mentioned in this interview of an infectious disease expert in Singapore, Dr Leong Hoe Nam.

 

He also mentioned that people with severe allergies (i.e. allergic to many things) should abstain from covid-19 vaccination.

 

 

[runner92]

22 minutes ago, friendlyone said:

This point might have already been made along the way in this thread, but it's amazing the strange ideas some people have as far as the Pfizer vaccination is concerned.

 

I saw a news report on the TV a couple of days ago in which some of those in ethnic minorities were being asked if they would consider taking the vaccine. People in certain ethnic groups are considered more vulnerable from the covid-19 virus. Yet, they are often the ones who are most reluctant to accept the vaccine. And, I was shocked that in one case one young man was adamant that he'd been told that every injection contains a tracker so that the government could know where you are at any given moment. Wow! Where do people get such misinformation? 🤕

I know a ton of black people do not want this vaccine. We have been medically experimented on for centuries. Even the Tuskegee experiment, which only ended and was fully exposed in the 70s. That's not misinfo. That's looking at history and being cautious when a similar situation arises. Vaccines of this nature can generally take anywhere from 5-10 years to develop. This one hasn't even been a year. I'm not willing to be the guinea pig. 

Edited December 18, 2020 by runner92

[Bob]

36 minutes ago, runner92 said:

I know a ton of black people do not want this vaccine. We have been medically experimented on for centuries. Even the Tuskegee experiment, which only ended and was fully exposed in the 70s. That's not misinfo. That's looking at history and being cautious when a similar situation arises. Vaccines of this nature can generally take anywhere from 5-10 years to develop. This one hasn't even been a year. I'm not willing to be the guinea pig. 

I think we need to move away form the “Guinea Pig” language. 
 

The FDA only requires 3,000 participants. They got about 40,000. The “Guinea Pig” phase is over and done with - 40k people already served as test subjects for the vaccines. 
 

Secondly, while also being a black man myself, this is nothing like the Tuskegee experiments. 
 

That was pure racist and evil, but this vaccine is being given to whites, blacks, Hispanics, and even the Vice President today. 

 

Comparing this to that evil is just over the top, hyperbolic conspiratorial falsehood, to be brutally honest. 
 

In fact, blacks were well represented in the Phase 3 vaccine trials. 
 

While there are legitimate questions about the side-effects, there is nothing to fear about the vaccine itself. 

Edited December 18, 2020 by Bob

[cricket246]

They recently approved the Moderna vaccine - so if someone does decide to get vaccinated, would be wise to ask which vaccine is being used at their facility - the Moderna one (containing blood) or the Pfizer/Biontech one (not containing blood.)

[rocket]

14 minutes ago, cricket246 said:

They recently approved the Moderna vaccine - so if someone does decide to get vaccinated, would be wise to ask which vaccine is being used at their facility - the Moderna one (containing blood) or the Pfizer/Biontech one (not containing blood.)

I must have missed something, where is the info that the Moderna vaccine contains blood?   I am under the impression that both are mRNA vaccines.

Edited December 18, 2020 by rocket

[Old]

Just now, rocket said:

I must have missed something, where is the info that the Moderna vaccine contains blood?   I am under the impression that both are RNA vaccines.

You beat me to it, I was searching previous posts to see if I had missed something.  I second the question, where?

[AH173]

28 minutes ago, cricket246 said:

- the Moderna one (containing blood)

To say this, one should provide PROOF.

 

Like this:

https://www.prevention.com/health/a35002158/pfizer-vs-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-ingredients/

 

Edited December 18, 2020 by AH173
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[rocket]

 

15 minutes ago, rocket said:

I must have missed something, where is the info that the Moderna vaccine contains blood?   I am under the impression that both are mRNA vaccines.

The only thing I have found is that they used blood Plasma of those who had gotten the Virus to Benchmark the antibodies in those who had the vaccine. I have found no info to say that Maderna's vaccine contains blood. If you have a link, please share it.

 

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The preliminary data that Moderna announced May 18 came from blood samples that were collected just 2 weeks after the second injection. Moderna used convalescent plasma, the antibody-rich fraction of blood obtained from people who have recovered from a natural SARS-CoV-2 infection, to benchmark the antibody levels in the vaccinated volunteers.

https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/Moderna-provides-cursory-glance-first-COVID-19-vaccine-data/98/i20

Edited December 18, 2020 by rocket

[Bob]

VP Pence took the vaccine live:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55362697

 

So please can we not compare this with Tuskegee? They’re not using Pence as a Tuskegee experiment or not even a “Guinea Pig”. 

Edited December 18, 2020 by Bob