Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[vern]

18 hours ago, AH173 said:

One can reason on this and whatever you can come up with at wol.jw.org. This reference is under 'germs' topic. 

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102003762#h=2

 

 

 

Viruses are the tiniest germs. They are the cause of common illnesses such as colds, flu, and sore throats. Viruses also cause terrible diseases such as polio, Ebola, and AIDS.

 

 

 

 

[New World Explorer]

I am scared again and extremely uncomfortable about vaccine. (I was going for a shot in August)

Why?

Let me tell you what happened in the past 7 days.

Where my wife works - there is a lady and her brother died after second Pfizer shot (he was well know as a healthy person - 44 years old) 

Second case - a person whom I personally know very well is experiencing face paralysis after second shot as well. 

Third case: My daughter runs a gym, and I saw sms from one member  to hold her membership on hold as she is in the hospital with swollen leg and bruising on her body very shortly after second dose as well. (They all had Pfizer) 

 

I feel so uneasy as those people are my relatively close contacts that I can personally verify. 

[carlos]

8 hours ago, Nancy M said:

That's an interesting comment considering what sister Yayamichelle said after you.  Dr Robert Malone MD, MS physician, scientist.  Also Luc Montagnier, a prominent virologist, nobel prize winner 2008. You say "science is not on the fence on this issue"? 

Exactly. Facts are clear that vaccinated people have many many less chances to die or to suffer serious consequences from the vaccine. This is something anyone can see just by looking around.

 

Now sister Michelle quotes a study of mRNA vaccines in animals which suggests that the protection offered by these vaccines may not be as effective as that offered by natural immunity. Well, that's reasonable and doesn't contradict the previous statement. The vaccine offers protection, but natural immunization offers even better protection.

 

The problem is that in order to obtain natural immunization you have to catch the virus and survive. If you do, you are even better protected against a future infection. Yet many do not survive it or are left with ruined lungs or lost limbs. Personally, evaluating those options, I choose the protection that is a bit less effective but with a much lower risk of dying or suffering serious consequences. I seems the obvious choice, but I understand others may have different viewpoints.

[AH173]

1 hour ago, carlos said:

The problem is that in order to obtain natural immunization you have to catch the virus and survive. If you do, you are even better protected against a future infection. Yet many do not survive it or are left with ruined lungs or lost limb

Also the long haul / side effects of having Covid-19 and surviving is real (as a lovely 20 yr old sister in my fsg is experiencing ) and for an undetermined length of time afterwards. 

[Tia]

Yes..Brother Ashley

 

My husband nephew a long hauler - his symptoms started in October 2019 - 

physician thought to be the flu at that time - he went back two times afterwards 2020 and finally 

the 3rd time he had to go for rehabilitation at a well known Rehab Facility in our area(s)

and he did quite well, stayed a long time in care- where he fared much better, and 

is now appears to be doing quite well - prayers to our lovely sister in your FSG 

[AH173]

3 minutes ago, Chachanee said:

his symptoms started in October 2019 - 

Wow, that's early -unless you mean October 2020.

[AH173]

From a pm, she states October 2019 is correct. 

 

I wondered if the USA approved treatments for Covid-19 - remdesivir and Monoclonal antibodies have had any success on delta variant. From these documents the Monoclonal antibodies are more effective than remdesivir. Things could change in the future though. 

 

Monoclonal antibodies are effective 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210727/Monoclonal-antibody-CT-P59-demonstrates-potent-antiviral-efficacy-against-SARS-CoV-2-delta-variant.aspx

 

Remdesivir not as effective 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210623/Study-finds-no-evidence-for-remdesivirs-benefit-in-severe-COVID-19-patients.aspx

[outwalkin]

We know we lost over 19,000  JW's to the virus but do we having info on severe reactions or deaths from vaccine amongst JW's?

[hatcheckgirl]

7 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

I am scared again and extremely uncomfortable about vaccine. (I was going for a shot in August)

Why?

Let me tell you what happened in the past 7 days.

Where my wife works - there is a lady and her brother died after second Pfizer shot (he was well know as a healthy person - 44 years old) 

Second case - a person whom I personally know very well is experiencing face paralysis after second shot as well. 

Third case: My daughter runs a gym, and I saw sms from one member  to hold her membership on hold as she is in the hospital with swollen leg and bruising on her body very shortly after second dose as well. (They all had Pfizer) 

 

I feel so uneasy as those people are my relatively close contacts that I can personally verify. 

It is scary, and I hope the second and third cases get better soon.  In looking up the info regarding facial paralysis/Bell's Palsy, one JAMA report said:
Facial paralysis can be observed in the context of many conditions, such as viral infections, traumatic injury, cancers, or hormonal changes during pregnancy. Idiopathic causes, also known as Bell palsy, are unilateral, generally reverse spontaneously, and cause partial or complete acute weaknesses of the face. Isolated facial paralysis after vaccination has been reported as case reports for decades with almost all viral vaccines, and it is thought to be immune mediated or induced by viral reactivations (eg, reactivation of a herpes virus infection). However, to date, pharmacoepidemiological studies have failed to identify a higher risk of facial paralysis after vaccination.

 

On March 9, 2021, among the 133 883 cases of adverse drug reactions reported with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines in the World Health Organization pharmacovigilance database, we identified a total of 844 (0.6%) facial paralysis-related events, including 683 cases of facial paralysis, 168 cases of facial paresis, 25 cases of facial spasms, and 13 cases of facial nerve disorders.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2779389

 

Others I read discussed cases where they had previously had Bell's Palsy and then had it again after vaccination.  It can be totally treated in most cases, with things returning back to normal in a few weeks.  So, it is important to talk with your doctor if you have some past medical history that may make it resurge after vaccination, like mRNA, and maybe look at AZ.  Nothing is without side effects, and nothing is 100%.

[Sofia]

5 hours ago, AH173 said:

From a pm, she states October 2019 is correct. 

 

I wondered if the USA approved treatments for Covid-19 - remdesivir and Monoclonal antibodies have had any success on delta variant. From these documents the Monoclonal antibodies are more effective than remdesivir. Things could change in the future though. 

 

Monoclonal antibodies are effective 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210727/Monoclonal-antibody-CT-P59-demonstrates-potent-antiviral-efficacy-against-SARS-CoV-2-delta-variant.aspx

 

Remdesivir not as effective 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210623/Study-finds-no-evidence-for-remdesivirs-benefit-in-severe-COVID-19-patients.aspx

Aciclovir (zovirax) is proven effective, 1000 mg every 6 hours for a week

[dove]

6 hours ago, hatcheckgirl said:

It is scary, and I hope the second and third cases get better soon.  In looking up the info regarding facial paralysis/Bell's Palsy, one JAMA report said:
Facial paralysis can be observed in the context of many conditions, such as viral infections, traumatic injury, cancers, or hormonal changes during pregnancy. Idiopathic causes, also known as Bell palsy, are unilateral, generally reverse spontaneously, and cause partial or complete acute weaknesses of the face. Isolated facial paralysis after vaccination has been reported as case reports for decades with almost all viral vaccines, and it is thought to be immune mediated or induced by viral reactivations (eg, reactivation of a herpes virus infection). However, to date, pharmacoepidemiological studies have failed to identify a higher risk of facial paralysis after vaccination.

 

On March 9, 2021, among the 133 883 cases of adverse drug reactions reported with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines in the World Health Organization pharmacovigilance database, we identified a total of 844 (0.6%) facial paralysis-related events, including 683 cases of facial paralysis, 168 cases of facial paresis, 25 cases of facial spasms, and 13 cases of facial nerve disorders.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2779389

 

Others I read discussed cases where they had previously had Bell's Palsy and then had it again after vaccination.  It can be totally treated in most cases, with things returning back to normal in a few weeks.  So, it is important to talk with your doctor if you have some past medical history that may make it resurge after vaccination, like mRNA, and maybe look at AZ.  Nothing is without side effects, and nothing is 100%.

I was given a drug many years ago that paralyzed the left side of my face. The doctor came right to my house and checked it out. I believe he gave me something for an antidote and it got better. I wish now that I could remember what it was. I have had many bad reactions to drugs over the years and am allergic to some so I stopped taking them. Now the vaccine…..

 

 

[WilliamChew]

Dr Mike Hansen discusses the paradox on:

"Why people who don't trust vaccines are willing to trust medicine not so well tested"

 

350 million vaccine doses already given.
Only 2 drugs have proven effective "dexamethasone and for very severe covid Tocilizumab"

 

06:44 Whenever i have patients in my pulmonary clinic who tell me they don't want the vaccine, I listen to the reasons they give me:

 

It's typically things like the vaccine development was rushed or has it been studied enough or that it's not yet fda approved.

 

Clinical trialed on 70,000

Now this is despite the fact that the vaccine was assessed for safety in over 70,000 people in the initial pfizer and modern clinical trials. The vaccines met the fda's rigorous scientific standards for safety effectiveness and manufacturing quality that's required to give its emergency use authorization or eua.

 

350 million doses given in US

Then you look at the almost 350 million doses of vaccine given in the u.s so far overall they've been shown to be very safe and very effective so right now it has the fda eua but the full fda approval is coming soon. Probably in a couple months. That process takes time that's always been the case.

For those who aren't willing to get the vaccine because they don't want to be guinea pigs now many of those people are willing to take medicine that's either much less studied or proven to be either unsafe or ineffective for example patients in arkansas who ran to the pet store to buy ivermectin gel thinking that's their solution for covid.

 

Only 2 found useful

Pretty much every therapy that hospitals have used to treat covid like dexamethasone, remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine and monoclonal antibodies like bamlanivimab and Tocilizumab. The studies on those drugs pale in comparison to the vaccine studies because of the much smaller numbers to draw from and with the evidence that we do have the only ones that really have shown benefit are dexamethasone and for very severe covid Tocilizumab and that's it

 

[New World Explorer]

22 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

I am scared again and extremely uncomfortable about vaccine. (I was going for a shot in August)

Why?

Let me tell you what happened in the past 7 days.

Where my wife works - there is a lady and her brother died after second Pfizer shot (he was well know as a healthy person - 44 years old) 

Second case - a person whom I personally know very well is experiencing face paralysis after second shot as well. 

Third case: My daughter runs a gym, and I saw sms from one member  to hold her membership on hold as she is in the hospital with swollen leg and bruising on her body very shortly after second dose as well. (They all had Pfizer) 

 

I feel so uneasy as those people are my relatively close contacts that I can personally verify. 

Update: The one with facial paralysis has been cleared as related to the Vaccine. 

Vaccine did not play a role as new information came to light today. 

[M.J.]

On 7/31/2021 at 8:18 PM, YayaMichelle said:

ADE (antibody-dependent (disease) enhancement)...Antibodies (titers) are exponentially produced but are sub-optimal and exhibit non-neutralizing behaviors. Meaning they bind to the virus in an inferior way causing them to replicate more and wreak havoc. 
Luc Montagnier, Dolores Cahill, Judy Mikovitz, Geert Vanden Bossche have been warning about these as early as March 2020.
from Dr. Robert Malone
https://rumble.com/vkfz1v-the-vaccine-causes-the-virus-to-be-more-dangerous.html

I watched his video and did more research. 

 

Actually:

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/covid-19-vaccines-effectively-prevent-severe-disease-havent-shown-signs-of-antibody-dependent-enhancement-as-claimed-by-robert-malone/

[luisenriquereyes]

7 hours ago, WilliamChew said:

Dr Mike Hansen discusses the paradox on:

"Why people who don't trust vaccines are willing to trust medicine not so well tested"

 

350 million vaccine doses already given.
Only 2 drugs have proven effective "dexamethasone and for very severe covid Tocilizumab"

 

06:44 Whenever i have patients in my pulmonary clinic who tell me they don't want the vaccine, I listen to the reasons they give me:

 

It's typically things like the vaccine development was rushed or has it been studied enough or that it's not yet fda approved.

 

Clinical trialed on 70,000

Now this is despite the fact that the vaccine was assessed for safety in over 70,000 people in the initial pfizer and modern clinical trials. The vaccines met the fda's rigorous scientific standards for safety effectiveness and manufacturing quality that's required to give its emergency use authorization or eua.

 

350 million doses given in US

Then you look at the almost 350 million doses of vaccine given in the u.s so far overall they've been shown to be very safe and very effective so right now it has the fda eua but the full fda approval is coming soon. Probably in a couple months. That process takes time that's always been the case.

For those who aren't willing to get the vaccine because they don't want to be guinea pigs now many of those people are willing to take medicine that's either much less studied or proven to be either unsafe or ineffective for example patients in arkansas who ran to the pet store to buy ivermectin gel thinking that's their solution for covid.

 

Only 2 found useful

Pretty much every therapy that hospitals have used to treat covid like dexamethasone, remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine and monoclonal antibodies like bamlanivimab and Tocilizumab. The studies on those drugs pale in comparison to the vaccine studies because of the much smaller numbers to draw from and with the evidence that we do have the only ones that really have shown benefit are dexamethasone and for very severe covid Tocilizumab and that's it

 

On Ivermectin for COVID-19, the following site reports the meta analysis of 60 studies:

https://ivmmeta.com/
 

All Studies    = 60    Patients = 21,838

Peer-reviewed = 39     Patients = 11,593

Mortality results = 23    Patients = 10,797

Randomized Controlled = 30    Patients = 5,206

Meta analysis using the most serious outcome reported shows 74% and 85% improvement for early treatment and prophylaxis.

64% and 96% lower mortality is observed for early treatment and prophylaxis

Statistically significant improvements are seen for mortality, hospitalization, recovery, cases, and viral clearance.

26 studies show statistically significant improvements in isolation.

While many treatments have some level of efficacy, they do not replace vaccines and other measures to avoid infection. 

 

 

[Friends just call me Ross]

6 hours ago, M.J. said:

I watched his video and did more research. 

 

Actually:

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/covid-19-vaccines-effectively-prevent-severe-disease-havent-shown-signs-of-antibody-dependent-enhancement-as-claimed-by-robert-malone/

Thanks for sharing, M.J. 👍

I found this paragraph of particular interest:

Quote

Both Bannon and Malone have previously spread misinformation on COVID-19 vaccines. In November 2020, Twitter permanently suspended Bannon after he suggested that certain U.S. officials like Anthony Fauci should be beheaded, violating the platform’s policies against the “glorification of violence”. YouTube later removed the podcast’s channel in January 2021 for violating the platform’s policies on misinformation.

 

[X-Tryman]

Israeli scientist says COVID-19 could be treated for under $1/day

 

Nearly 72% of volunteers treated with ivermectin tested negative for the virus by day six. In contrast, only 50% of those who received the placebo tested negative.

 

IN ADDITION, the study looked at culture viability, meaning how infectious the patients were, and found that only 13% of ivermectin patients were infectious after six days, compared with 50% of the placebo group – almost four times as many.

 

“Our study shows first and foremost that ivermectin has antiviral activity,” Schwartz said. “It also shows that there is almost a 100% chance that a person will be noninfectious in four to six days, which could lead to shortening isolation time for these people. This could have a huge economic and social impact.”

 

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612

[Sofia]

4 hours ago, X-Tryman said:

Israeli scientist says COVID-19 could be treated for under $1/day

 

Nearly 72% of volunteers treated with ivermectin tested negative for the virus by day six. In contrast, only 50% of those who received the placebo tested negative.

 

IN ADDITION, the study looked at culture viability, meaning how infectious the patients were, and found that only 13% of ivermectin patients were infectious after six days, compared with 50% of the placebo group – almost four times as many.

 

“Our study shows first and foremost that ivermectin has antiviral activity,” Schwartz said. “It also shows that there is almost a 100% chance that a person will be noninfectious in four to six days, which could lead to shortening isolation time for these people. This could have a huge economic and social impact.”

 

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612

Yes

aciclovir can treat COVID-19 

[X-Tryman]

5 hours ago, Sofia said:

Yes

aciclovir can treat COVID-19

Hi Sofia, are there any studies done on it?

[vern]

Can the horse paste ivermectin go thru skin and be therapuetic if you rub it on your body?

 

Only way of getting it here...

[Sofia]

1 hour ago, X-Tryman said:

Hi Sofia, are there any studies done on it?

Yes.And several brothers and sisters with covid, in fact entire families have taken it and their suffering was spared. The ones NOT taking it suffered real bad, with coma induced among other bad outcomes.

You can find many tests in vitro and in vivo. All my friends that have taken it had a quick recovery!

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

 

some research

 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/348683234_

Acyclovir

_As_a_Potential_Add-On_Treatment_for_COVID-19_A_Narrative_Review According to the findings, including the successful treatment of herpes infection and COVID-19, of the aforementioned studies [20][21][22][23][26][27][28][29][30][31][32], few studies have suggested the effectiveness of

acyclovir

in the treatment of COVID-19 [2,24,25] and the possibility of COVID-19 reactivation in successfully treated patients with COVID-19, perhaps, owing a weakened immune system or stress, similar to the causes of herpes infection recurrence [18], alongside the long history of safety of

acyclovir

in the prophylaxis or treatment of viral infections, its affordability, and availability [39][40][41][42][43][44]. We propose that

acyclovir

could be considered a potential add-on treatment to the COVID-19 treatment regimen. ...

 

and: 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346344429_Promising_Acyclovir_and_its_derivatives_to_inhibit_the_protease_of_SARS-CoV-2_Molecular_Docking_and_Molecular_Dynamics_simulations

 

 

[Sofia]

https://fb.watch/79DVieYbbI/

 

Official WHO statements - 

The COVID-19 virus and its variants are dangerous and the Delta variant is the most transmissible variant yet.

Dr Maria Van Kerkhove explains some of the possible reasons why and ways we can keep safe ( 1 minute video)

Edited August 4, 2021 by Sofia

[pnutts]

FDA aims to give full approval to Pfizer vaccine by Labor Day

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/566229-fda-aims-to-give-full-approval-to-pfizer-vaccine-by-labor-day-report

 

Thus it will no longer be emergency use.

[TrueTomHarley]

10 hours ago, vern said:

Can the horse paste ivermectin go thru skin and be therapuetic if you rub it on your body?

 

Only way of getting it here...

Isn’t horse paste ivermectin administered orally to horses?

 

You are not (hopefully) the size of a horse. Were you to go this route you must make sure any amount to take is proportional.

 

Here is a chart that helps. Scroll down. This is from the ‘frontline doctors’ organization. It is doctors who have treated hundreds of patients. One of them, Pierre Kors, pleaded before (US) Congress to make the drug widely available, since his colleagues had all taken it for protection with good results.

 

 https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf

Edited August 4, 2021 by TrueTomHarley

[Bob]

15 hours ago, pnutts said:

FDA aims to give full approval to Pfizer vaccine by Labor Day

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/566229-fda-aims-to-give-full-approval-to-pfizer-vaccine-by-labor-day-report

 

Thus it will no longer be emergency use.

This would take away the excuse that it’s “experimental” which the anti-vax crowd uses to deny the development and efficacy of it. 

Edited August 4, 2021 by Bob