The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[Ahuvah]

6 minutes ago, AH173 said:

You all may be the first to meet publicly and have public ministry in the world. 

 

Anticipating any positive news! 

Well going on other South Pacific countries possibly not. Both Vanuatu and Samoa do not have and have not had any covid19 cases at all but they are still not going to meetings in line with the instructions from the Australasian branch. So not holding my breath as to going back to normal pre-covid theocratic arrangements.

[hatcheckgirl]

Australia has had only 2 new cases since 3pm yesterday. Holding steady now with new cases being by far from overseas travellers and from a cattle ship crew that docked in Fremantle over a week ago.

 

Theres talk of an Australian-NZ travel bubble since we are seemingly going ok.

But even though restrictions here in Western Australia have lifted to 100 indoors if social distancing can be maintained, we are still not at meetings or public witnessing. Being in line with the rest of our brotherhood.

[Ahuvah]

3 minutes ago, hatcheckgirl said:

Australia has had only 2 new cases since 3pm yesterday. Holding steady now with new cases being by far from overseas travellers and from a cattle ship crew that docked in Fremantle over a week ago.

 

Theres talk of an Australian-NZ travel bubble since we are seemingly going ok.

But even though restrictions here in Western Australia have lifted to 100 indoors if social distancing can be maintained, we are still not at meetings or public witnessing. Being in line with the rest of our brotherhood.

The real test for both Australia and NZ will be in two/three weeks time after the protests.

[CHecker]

4 minutes ago, Stormswift said:

The real test for both Australia and NZ will be in two/three weeks time after the protests.

Was saying the same thing at family worship yesterday about our locale. With all the riots in Seattle and other local areas, thousands of people mashed together, time will tell if the virus will take off again. At least a third of the protesters had no protection.

[Allabord4Jah]

This story on NPR News this evening/June 7, 2020

 

Global COVID-19 Deaths Surpass 400,000

The United States — at more than 109,000 — accounts for more than a quarter of global deaths from COVID-19. More than 6.9 million worldwide have been infected with the coronavirus.

 

(I see why we got branch directions and lots of information to keep distance and do all you can to keep yourself and others alive)

[Old]

Locally we thought the bullet was going to miss our area. 2 weeks ago the county listed 6 Covid-19 cases. The following week it went up to 11 reported cases, all five additional came from family gathering. Today they announced 124 new cases. An emmergency meeting is being held today to come up with a plan for the community of Newport. Newport only has about 11,000 residents with a very high proportion of elderly retirees..

 

Corona Virus outbreak in Newport worsens – well over 100 workers infected at Pacific Seafood

Jun 7, 2020 | Daily News

"One of Oregon’s biggest seafood processing operations in Oregon has been closed down due to a horrendous outbreak of the Covid-19 virus.  Pacific Seafood’s plants in Newport racked up a reported 124 infected workers, about twenty more at their Warrenton plant which was the first to get hit by the virus in mid-May. Covid-19 investigators are trying to track down all others that came in contact with the fish processing employees."

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7 Million reported cases Worldwide.
Death toll: 400,000

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From NY Times:

New daily cases hit a record high on Sunday, the W.H.O. says.
The number of new daily cases worldwide hit a new high on Sunday, the World Health Organization reported on Monday, warning that the pandemic appeared to be worsening and urging countries that had seen improvement to remain vigilant.

“More than 100,000 cases have been reported on nine of the past 10 days,” Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the organization’s director general, said at a briefing on Monday. “Yesterday, more than 136,000 cases were reported — the most in a single day so far.”

He said that three-quarters of the new cases reported on Sunday came from just 10 countries, mostly in the Americas and South Asia. While the situation in Europe has improved, Dr. Tedros issued an appeal to countries that had been seeing positive signs, warning them that “the biggest threat now is complacency.”

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[runner92]

The WHO just also put out a report saying asymptomatic people aren’t spreading it like they thought they were. What is the truth? Y’all believe that many sick, unable to breathe people are walking around infecting others? I don’t. They are deliberately confusing us.

[Witness1970]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/06/08/who-says-asymptomatic-spread-of-coronavirus-very-rare-but-experts-raise-questions/#7d7b4a5643d0

 

One person said asymptomatic people spreading the virus is "very rare",  but others say it is a matter of semantics.  They speak of "presymptomatic people", people with coronavirus that don't show any symptoms yet, are spreading the disease.  Reports say that 50% of people with coronavirus show symptoms within 5 days and 99% of the people show symptoms within 14 days.  There are a few that don''t show symptoms until after 14 days, but they are rare.

 

"During this phase of "presymptoms ", the disease can be spread.  Dr. Ashish K. Jha, director at the Harvard Global Health Institute, tweeted out the distinction and noted that the agency "should be clearer in communication, also noting that some models "suggest 40-60% of spread is from people when they didn't have symptoms."

 

Trump and his followers keep trying to downplay the coronavirus. Trump said in January it was all a hoax. He later said it was under control. I don't want to sound political as if I am taking sides, I think that all human government is a failure. The government is concerned about opening things back up to save the economy.   A few more deaths is an acceptable trade-off.

 

Our governing body does not have that agenda. They are not concerned about the economy, just about saving lives. I expect that, even after the country reopens, the governing body will still give instructions to stay home and stay safe for a while. 

 

Some people say that 99% of the people survive. That is not the important part. The important part is that this disease is highly contagious. It spreads quickly.  There are 300,000,000 people in the United States. If just 1/2 of those people (150,000,000) get this highly contagious disease, 1% death rate would mean 1,500,000 deaths.  Some estimates indicate that, without precautions, 70% of the people would be infected.

[Hotteok]

I can’t believe Spanish Flu killed more than 50 million people. 

[ChocoBro]

11 hours ago, runner92 said:

The WHO just also put out a report saying asymptomatic people aren’t spreading it like they thought they were. What is the truth? Y’all believe that many sick, unable to breathe people are walking around infecting others? I don’t. They are deliberately confusing us.

Every week a new story. 

Masks bad -> masks good

The virus is hardly as dangerous as the flu -> this virus may be worse than the Spanish flu -> this virus is .. uhh... somewhere in between

Virus spreads through surface contact -> virus may not spread through surface contact

Ibuprofen is dangerous -> Ibuprofen may not be dangerous

Chloroquine good -> Chloroquine bad -> Chloroquine good

Kids particularly spread the virus -> Kids might hardly spread the virus

Incubation time is up to two weeks -> Incubation time isn't that long actually

40% are completely asymptomatic -> up to 80% are asymptomatic....

Covid19 is a respiratory disease -> um.. it might be something else entirely

 

Even the "superspreader" theory is just that, a theory

 

That's "science" for you.

 

Here is food for thought. End of April, they did antibody tests in Stockholm, Now keep in mind, antibodies need up to two weeks to develop, so in effect, the result dates back to middle of April. The result was 7.3% tested positive for antibodies.

 

Now, this testing is a dark business and prone to some errors, but assuming this is correct. Middle of April, there were roughly 12.000 confirmed cases in Sweden

 

7.3% of 10 million Swedes is 730.000, but the confirmed number is 12.000... On May 20th, Anders Tegnell gave an assumption that the percentage in Stockholm will probably be around 20% by now. The number by then was 32.000 cases, so the relation between the numbers is the same....

 

Admittedly, it is towns like Stockholm that have the highest concentration of cases (other places had about 4%). But this gives an indication of how high the "dark figure" or actual number of cases may be.

 

It's shoddy math, I admit, but to me it implies that the "dark figure" could be factor 30-50. Officials keep claiming the number to be expected between 10-15, sometimes they claim lower numbers. If my math is completely off, please let me know...

At the same time, the death rates in Sweden are going down and down. It's actually not looking too bad over there at all. As I mentioned earlier on, Even if they quadruple their deaths by the time Covid19 is over with (which I expect will happen by itself, not with a vaccine), the total death rate will be lower than 0.2%.. there are far worse killers, like cancer or suicide.

 

What I'm saying is, be optimistic, this may blow over sooner than we expect and we may have reason to look forward to an awe-inspiring service campaign in November.

[ChocoBro]

1 hour ago, ChocoBro said:

Every week a new story. 

 

You literally can't post anything without the next new big question mark popping up on the internet simultaneously

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/09/coronavirus-may-have-been-in-wuhan-in-august-study-suggests

 

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Coronavirus may have been in Wuhan in August, study suggests

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The study said: “Our evidence supports other recent work showing that emergence happened before identification at the Huanan seafood market. These findings also corroborate the hypothesis that the virus emerged naturally in southern China and was potentially already circulating at the time of the Wuhan cluster.”

 

[Bob]

5 hours ago, Witness1970 said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/06/08/who-says-asymptomatic-spread-of-coronavirus-very-rare-but-experts-raise-questions/#7d7b4a5643d0

 

Trump and his followers keep trying to downplay the coronavirus. Trump said in January it was all a hoax. He later said it was under control. I don't want to sound political as if I am taking sides, I think that all human government is a failure. The government is concerned about opening things back up to save the economy.   A few more deaths is an acceptable trade-off.

 

Our governing body does not have that agenda. They are not concerned about the economy, just about saving lives. I expect that, even after the country reopens, the governing body will still give instructions to stay home and stay safe for a while. 

This isn't fair to the GB or to the Government. The GB doesn't employ people, so Witnesses don't depend on the Hall being opened and in use for Witnesses to pay for food and shelter. The Government DOES employ people and people depend on the government to be opened so they can pay for food and shelter. That being said, the GB doesn't have an economy to worry about; the Government does and the government CANNOT keep businesses closed indefinitely. 

 

You cannot really compare us with government as we exist in two totally different categories and for two completely different purposes. 

 

 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Bob

[BenJepthah]

Currently in my hospital we are starting to test each and every patient even as we reopen for more routine services.  This is a greater burden on healthcare as we have to wear higher level PPE more often or all day.  That’s fine. There have been more Nurses and Doctors sick with this than actual patients at this point and at least two who were very sick who have subsequently been chronically positive with the virus for about a month. So the chance that I haven’t been exposed is about ZERO.

[Loopy]

We just got the notice that our Circuit Assembly is September 20. We’ll just have to wait and see.

[runner92]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

This isn't fair to the GB or to the Government. The GB doesn't employ people, so Witnesses don't depend on the Hall being opened and in use for Witnesses to pay for food and shelter. The Government DOES employ people and people depend on the government to be opened so they can pay for food and shelter. That being said, the GB doesn't have an economy to worry about; the Government does and the government CANNOT keep businesses closed indefinitely. 

 

You cannot really compare us with government as we exist in two totally different categories and for two completely different purposes. 

 

 

This is why I understand the frustration to a degree. People have to work in order to eat and and have shelter. Those are two basic things that are needed for a healthy life.  If everything stays closed indefinitely, how will people take care of themselves? They’ll be out on the street. That said, I wouldn’t feel comfortable in office or factory environment, but some don’t have a choice. It’s either that or they starve. It’s a hard situation all around. 

[Bob]

10 minutes ago, runner92 said:

This is why I understand the frustration to a degree. People have to work in order to eat and and have shelter. Those are two basic things that are needed for a healthy life.  If everything stays closed indefinitely, how will people take care of themselves? They’ll be out on the street. That said, I wouldn’t feel comfortable in office or factory environment, but some don’t have a choice. It’s either that or they starve. It’s a hard situation all around. 

Yep. Its a tough issue. I know a brother who works for Chrysler and he said he doesn't feel safe, yet, he has bills to pay and his wife is too sick to work. Best we can do is stay safe and protect ourselves while making the living we need to make.   

[Tbs77]

Yep. Its a tough issue. I know a brother who works for Chrysler and he said he doesn't feel safe, yet, he has bills to pay and his wife is too sick to work. Best we can do is stay safe and protect ourselves while making the living we need to make.   

IMHO, Get ready to pool resources.

[BenJepthah]

Now that I really think about it last August or so at least three people ( myself included ) had a really fatiguing bout of diarrhea that the CDC said was food poisoning from a bad batch of lettuce . Now I’m very suspicious that this was in fact COVID : it just took the wind right out of you. Felt soa and everything. So, makes me wonder.

[Thesauron]

The virus isn't at all that bad, but the media reports on it and people's perception of it is extremely sensitive. That is why we don't go out in service, that is why we continue with zoom meetings, is because we don't want to be in news reports about a supposed "superspreading" incident at a local church of Jehovah's Witnesses.
 
And another reason we are being very careful is that in some countries like in Europe, Japan, a large part of our brotherhood is of old age and therefore at a greater risk of developing more severe symptoms. 

Bethel went into a severe type of quarantine quickly after the outbreak of this virus. This is because the Governing Body has a special responsibility when it comes to the health and wellbeing of those who are supporting our ministry in that special way. The Governing Body would never gamble with their lives and health. Neither do they gamble with ours. They keep urging us to be careful, to maintain good hygiene and distance ourselves, and they have banned widespread the use of our facilities.

They do the same when there is a local outbreak of severe illnesses, such as Ebola.

[Witness1970]

3 hours ago, Bob said:

This isn't fair to the GB or to the Government. The GB doesn't employ people, so Witnesses don't depend on the Hall being opened and in use for Witnesses to pay for food and shelter. The Government DOES employ people and people depend on the government to be opened so they can pay for food and shelter. That being said, the GB doesn't have an economy to worry about; the Government does and the government CANNOT keep businesses closed indefinitely. 

 

You cannot really compare us with government as we exist in two totally different categories and for two completely different purposes. 

 

 

What is the "isn't fair" part?  You are basically saying the same thing I am saying. The GB will do things differently than the government. 

[Bob]

11 minutes ago, Witness1970 said:

What is the "isn't fair" part?  You are basically saying the same thing I am saying. The GB will do things differently than the government. 

Well, you did not articulate why the responses are different. The Government of course wants to save the economy. Its their responsibility. The GB is not responsible for the economy, so they have a different approach. 

 

So I think you were just a little unfair in suggesting the Government, while discharging their responsibilities, doesn't care about lives. Having the ability to feed and cloth your families is how we save and preserve our lives.

 

 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Bob

[BLEmom]

But history shows that if a government had to choose between people and money, they will choose money every time. 

[Witness1970]

10 hours ago, Witness1970 said:

 

 

10 hours ago, Witness1970 said:

 The government is concerned about opening things back up to save the economy.

 

Our governing body does not have that agenda. They are not concerned about the economy, just about saving lives. I expect that, even after the country reopens, the governing body will still give instructions to stay home and stay safe for a while. 

This is what I said. I understand that the government wants to save the economy.  Opening up the economy is going to cost more lives.

Edited June 9, 2020 by Witness1970