Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[M.J.]

7 hours ago, Lance said:

From New Scientist magazine..

 

You can boost a vaccine’s effect with good moods and good friends...

I see a lot of links in the article,  but do you have the actual link to the article itself?

I loved the article

[M.J.]

I'm very curious about the development of the  Johnson and Johnson vaccine and would like to hear more about it.  They are taking longer,  but it makes me feel better because maybe they are focused more on quality....

They have a reputation for making baby products that are safe. So they probably are more in tune with parents concerns and living up to that.... just my thoughts... 

Edited February 6, 2021 by M.J.

[New World Explorer]

The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is being tested in 44,000 people across the US, Brazil and South Africa. Preliminary data suggests the amount by which it reduces the risk of moderate to severe COVID-19 (its efficacy) is 66%, four weeks after vaccination.

This figure might suggest that the vaccine isn’t as good as the Pfizer/BioNtech and Moderna jabs, which in trials reduced the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 by over 90%. However, its phase 3 trial started in November 2020, meaning the vaccine came up against some of the new, tougher variants of the coronavirus during testing. Indeed, its efficacy against B1351, the variant first found in South Africa, was only 57% – but some the authorised vaccines are less effective against this variant too.

One-third of trial participants were over 60, and the vaccine seems to work just as well in them as in younger people. This is good news, given the recent questions over how effective the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is in older people.

But perhaps the most important point is that none of those given the Johnson & Johnson vaccine died or were admitted to hospital with COVID-19. The results also show the vaccine reduced the risk severe of disease by 85%. ... more here: https://theconversation.com/new-covid-19-vaccines-heres-how-the-promising-novavax-and-johnson-and-johnson-jabs-work-154289

[Sister Twister]

10 hours ago, Qapla said:

 

 

Just some food for thought - I bake bread. I can measure all the ingredients by volume or 

 

Just like with a loaf of bread - no two people respond exactly the same. We can get predictable results most of the time - but nothing can be guaranteed nor work for everyone, every time.

 

 

Love this analogy John being a fellow bread maker 

3 hours ago, M.J. said:

I'm very curious about the development of the  Johnson and Johnson vaccine and would like to hear more about it.  They are taking longer,  but it makes me feel better because maybe they are focused more on quality....

They have a reputation for making baby products that are safe. So they probably are more in tune with parents concerns and living up to that.... just my thoughts... 

that's a good point 

[hatcheckgirl]

Regarding side effects -

 

This is from France:

 

 

Have there been any serious side effects after the vaccines were administered?

During the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine trials, four participants developed temporary facial paralysis, the causes of which are still being investigated, out of the more than 43,000 people taking part in Phase 3 testing. That was also the case for four participants in the Moderna vaccine trials (three in the vaccinated group, one in the placebo group) out of more than 30,000 people taking part in those tests. Overall, about 10 serious side effects were recorded during the trials. In France, since the start of the vaccination campaign, "six cases of serious side effects with a favourable trend were observed after the injection of the Comirnaty vaccine from Pfizer-BioNTech," France's National Agency for Medicine Safety (ANSM) said in a communiqué on January 21. Four of the cases involved allergic reactions and two involved tachycardia (excessively rapid heartbeat). 

https://webdoc.france24.com/covid-19-france-vaccine-questions-vaccination/

 

And this is from ISRAEL, which has a lot of the population already vaccinated:

 

In the world’s most detailed data on how people feel after a Pfizer COVID vaccine, Israel has found that less than 0.3 percent had side effects they felt were significant enough to report to doctors. After the first shot, 6,575 of 2,768,200 Israelis sought medical assistance for side effects, which is 0.24%. The figure after the second shot was 0.26% — 3,592 of 1,377,827 recipients. The Health Ministry wrote that side effects are shown to be “similar in frequency and character to symptoms reported after other vaccines given to the population.”
They also stressed that side effects are normally “mild” and “soon pass.”

 

Few complaints ended in hospitalization — an average of 17 patients per million after the first shot, and three patients per million after the second shot. Yehezkeli said doctors expected a few patients to have significant side effects, and he has personally treated a patient who had partial facial nerve paralysis after her second shot, but said the statistics show that incidence is low. His patient recovered.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/post-covid-vaccine-under-0-3-of-israelis-reported-side-effects-to-doctor/

 

[Witness1970]

On 2/4/2021 at 5:05 PM, hatcheckgirl said:

What exactly do the current vaccine do? Do they stop transmission or stop the severity of the disease?

The first two vaccines (pfizer and moderna) do neither of those things.  They set up your immune system to recognize the virus if it gets into your system.  The body produces antibodies especially for that infection.  It's like a race.  The infection and the antibodies are reproducing.  The one that reproduces fastest wins the race.  In other words, the antibodies can destroy the infection before it can make you sick, if there are enough antibodies.  The first two vaccines give the immune system a head start.

 

The Johnson & Johnson vaccine works differently.  It can prevent the disease from infecting you in some cases (they claim about 66%).  In other cases, it lessens the severity of the disease (they claim 85%).  The final scenario is that it prevents hospitalizations and death in about 100% of the cases.  So out of 100 people, 66 would not get the disease at all, 19 more would have minor symptoms, and none of the 100 would be hospitalized or die.

 

All of this depends on the immune system which Jehovah created.  The vaccines just aid the immune system. 

 

I am not suggesting a medical procedure for anyone.  Each person can make their own decision about whether or not they wish to have the vaccine.

Edited February 6, 2021 by Witness1970
added last line

[Amygdala]

7 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

One-third of trial participants were over 60, and the vaccine seems to work just as well in them as in younger people.

That’s the latest consensus yes. A bit safer for older ones, and only 1 vs. 2 shots required. 

[friendlyone]

1 hour ago, Lieblingskind said:

That’s the latest consensus yes. A bit safer for older ones, and only 1 vs. 2 shots required. 

I like the idea of just having the one vaccination,  at least then we won't have the argument about how long in between jabs is the right time gap for them to be most effective.

 

And of course it will be more convenient for patients, and health care workers who are struggling to get them all done on time.

 

Just to mention I found that I was aching for a couple of days after my jab on Wednesday (AstraZeneca vaccine) but I'm fine now.😀

 

 

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, friendlyone said:

Just to mention I found that I was aching for a couple of days after my jab on Wednesday (AstraZeneca vaccine) but I'm fine now.😀

 

Im interested in this vaccine. Please keep us posted. 

[On the huh]

The subject of the vaccine is a talking point among our older ones in the breakout rooms after the meeting - When they had it, where did they do, which one did they have.  Many have had one now.  Some are still waiting.   No one has said they are not going have it.  Just going by their experience, those who had the Pfizer had no side effects, and only a few who had the AztraZeneca did feel a little unwell afterwards, but it passed.  I think the moderna vaccine is yet to be rolled out in the UK.

 

It seems you do not get to choose which vaccine you will have.  What about where you live, if you choose to have the vaccine, do you get to choose which one?

Also in the UK, they are going to ask for volunteers to experiment with mixing two different vaccines to see if you get better protection.  It would mean that if supplies are short on the vaccine from your first jab, they can give a different one for the second jab.

[BLEmom]

3 hours ago, friendlyone said:

Just to mention I found that I was aching for a couple of days after my jab on Wednesday (AstraZeneca vaccine) but I'm fine now.😀

Aching all over or just at the site of injection?

[SUNRAY]

5 hours ago, On the huh said:

When they had it, where did they do, which one did they have. 

Thanks! After ones get their 2nd shot..(Pfizer), it would be helpful if after 10 or so days have passed, to report back here as to side effects..even 6 weeks out there can be reactions..also with your single shot..Thanks'

[Shawnster]

https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/6/22269580/fda-johnson-and-johnson-vaccine-covid-review-antivirus

 

Why the FDA is taking 22 days to look over J&J’s data

 

Sometimes it’s worth double-checking your work

 

They take particular issue with the fact that while Johnson and Johnson submitted their data from their giant clinical trial this week, the Food and Drug Administration will take until February 26th to review the data.

 

Three weeks can feel like an eternity during the pandemic, with hospitals crowded and deaths still climbing. It’s easy to be flip about the process and want things to Just. Go. Faster. But the 22 days is not that much longer than the 20 days the agency took to review data for Pfizer/BioNTech’s vaccine or the 17 days for Moderna’s candidate.

[Friends just call me Ross]

34 minutes ago, SUNRAY said:

Thanks! After ones get their 2nd shot..(Pfizer), it would be helpful if after 10 or so days have passed, to report back here as to side effects..even 6 weeks out there can be reactions..also with your single shot..Thanks'

I received my first dose of the Moderna vaccine yesterday afternoon, at the nearest

hospital to our farm.

 

My left arm started hurting last night and today it is so sore I can barely move it.

 

Other than that, I'm feeling fine...well, as fine as an old lady who sacrificed her

body to the farm gods for fifty years can feel.  

Edited February 6, 2021 by Friends just call me Ross
Forgot to put where vaccine was received

[Dustparticle]

13 hours ago, hatcheckgirl said:

Regarding side effects -

 

This is from France:

 

 

Have there been any serious side effects after the vaccines were administered?

During the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine trials, four participants developed temporary facial paralysis, the causes of which are still being investigated, out of the more than 43,000 people taking part in Phase 3 testing. That was also the case for four participants in the Moderna vaccine trials (three in the vaccinated group, one in the placebo group) out of more than 30,000 people taking part in those tests. Overall, about 10 serious side effects were recorded during the trials. In France, since the start of the vaccination campaign, "six cases of serious side effects with a favourable trend were observed after the injection of the Comirnaty vaccine from Pfizer-BioNTech," France's National Agency for Medicine Safety (ANSM) said in a communiqué on January 21. Four of the cases involved allergic reactions and two involved tachycardia (excessively rapid heartbeat). 

https://webdoc.france24.com/covid-19-france-vaccine-questions-vaccination/

 

And this is from ISRAEL, which has a lot of the population already vaccinated:

 

In the world’s most detailed data on how people feel after a Pfizer COVID vaccine, Israel has found that less than 0.3 percent had side effects they felt were significant enough to report to doctors. After the first shot, 6,575 of 2,768,200 Israelis sought medical assistance for side effects, which is 0.24%. The figure after the second shot was 0.26% — 3,592 of 1,377,827 recipients. The Health Ministry wrote that side effects are shown to be “similar in frequency and character to symptoms reported after other vaccines given to the population.”
They also stressed that side effects are normally “mild” and “soon pass.”

 

Few complaints ended in hospitalization — an average of 17 patients per million after the first shot, and three patients per million after the second shot. Yehezkeli said doctors expected a few patients to have significant side effects, and he has personally treated a patient who had partial facial nerve paralysis after her second shot, but said the statistics show that incidence is low. His patient recovered.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/post-covid-vaccine-under-0-3-of-israelis-reported-side-effects-to-doctor/

 

I have these side effects now and I have not got my shot yet!!! What will become of me when I get my shot???

[BLEmom]

53 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

I have these side effects now and I have not got my shot yet!!! What will become of me when I get my shot???

Do you have an inflammatory illness like fibromyalgia?  You may want to ask your Dr before proceeding. 

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Friends just call me Ross said:

I received my first dose of the Moderna vaccine yesterday afternoon, at the nearest

hospital to our farm.

 

My left arm started hurting last night and today it is so sore I can barely move it.

 

Other than that, I'm feeling fine...well, as fine as an old lady who sacrificed her

body to the farm gods for fifty years can feel.  

Did they recommend taking anything for the pain like ibuprofen? 

[Friends just call me Ross]

53 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Did they recommend taking anything for the pain like ibuprofen? 

No.  Nothing was said about it.

[rocket]

1 hour ago, Dustparticle said:

I have these side effects now and I have not got my shot yet!!! What will become of me when I get my shot???

I hear that there is an allergic reaction to chocolate after the shot. Just kidding !  😂

[Ludwika]

3 hours ago, Dustparticle said:

I have these side effects now and I have not got my shot yet!!! What will become of me when I get my shot???

You will turn into a pumpkin. 🎃😁

[friendlyone]

17 hours ago, BLEmom said:

Aching all over or just at the site of injection?

Funnily enough the injection site hardly hurt aftwerwards, unlinke when I've had the flu jab.

 

The aches were in my back and legs, though it soon passed.

[Amygdala]

Regarding the Pfizer vaccine, the latest German news is that 14 seniors from a senior citizens residence caught the new British variant from COVID and tested positive, although they were already vaccinated twice from the Pfizer vaccine, having all received the 2nd injection back on January 25th. Looks like at least Pfizer doesn’t work against the new variant, though I have read other news articles that AstraZeneca does. Time will tell.

The news article (though in German):
 

https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/Belm-14-geimpfte-Seniorenheim-Bewohner-positiv-getestet,corona6612.html
 

 

Edited February 7, 2021 by Lieblingskind

[AH173]

I thought I heard from the recent interviews of the new USA government that the 2 mDNA vaccines take about 2-3 months after the 2nd shot to have the supposed immune efficacy from it. Date wise (currently 2/7/2021)  it well before the 2-3 months after the 2nd shot of the mDNA vaccines.

 

Ones were told to mask up and take the CDC precautions even after the 2nd shot of the 2 mDNA vaccines from what I recall.

[Qapla]

Too many people think the vaccines are a "magic pill" (ok, it is actually a shot) and that, as soon as they take the jab they are immune - much like many young people thought when C-19 first appeared and older people were the first to die.

 

There is no magic cure - only Jehovah has the cure for this system.

[hatcheckgirl]

Regarding the AstraZeneca vaccine and the new South African variant:

 

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/who-chief-weighs-in-on-astrazeneca-vaccine-efficacy-study?cid=sbsnews:edm:newsam:relation:news:na:na
 

The head of the World Health Organization said on Monday the emergence of new COVID-19 variants had raised questions about whether or not existing vaccines will work, calling it "concerning news" that the vaccines developed so far may be less effective against the variant first detected in South Africa.