Russia invades Ukraine

[Sofia]

7 minutes ago, Jonadab said:

Ukraine - Security Council, 8980th meeting | United Nations | UNTV Live (27 Feb 2022) - Official (start at 17:00 hours)

Postponed 2 hours?

this time there s no veto power

All it takes its 9 votes out of 15 for the resolution pass

If it passes, tomorrow the same vetoed resolution will be presented for vote among 193 members of the emergency general assembly meeting

 

if it passes it will empower UN to act with “teeth” against Russia

 

more details here:

https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/whatsinblue/2022/02/ukraine-vote-on-draft-uniting-for-peace-resolution.php

[Sofia]

The question here that it’s remarkable is

after so many years asking for the UN reform, it will be done instantly due to an emergency situation 

 

I can see this fitting the near future role of UN as executer of BTG

 

It makes a huge lot of sense

[Dages]

6 minutes ago, Sofia said:

The question here that it’s remarkable is

after so many years asking for the UN reform, it will be done instantly due to an emergency situation 

 

I can see this fitting the near future role of UN as executer of BTG

 

It makes a huge lot of sense

It's quite amazing to "live" a prophecy.

[Paulo]

‘You wake up, you check’

In Evanston, Ill., when the notification popped up on his phone on Wednesday that Russia was invading Ukraine, Alex Telischak, 42, rushed to turn on the news and then quickly called his wife’s parents. They live in the western Ukrainian city of Ternopil, and he and his wife worried they might not be able to contact them again for an unknown amount of time if phone lines or internet service failed.

“That’s emotionally difficult for both parties,” he said. “You are not saying goodbye, but it is almost like that, because you don’t know when the conversation might continue.”

His wife’s parents are among the 130,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses in Ukraine. In 2017, Russia banned the denomination, whose members believe in nonviolence and refuse to take up arms in war; Russia called it an extremist group. Since then, some 1,700 Witnesses’ homes in Russia have been raided and about 320 Witnesses have been imprisoned, including a crackdown in Crimea, according to the denomination’s statistics. Mr. Telischak did not dare to venture a guess as to what could happen in Ukraine.

The couple tried to not watch too much news to avoid getting too upset, he said. When it was time to sleep, they kept looking at Viber, the messaging app they use to communicate with their family. “You go to bed, you check. You wake up, you check,” he said. “We told them, ‘Anything, you text, you call, whatever the time is.’”

On Thursday afternoon, his wife got a message that an air raid siren had gone off, and that her parents fled their old concrete-style building. Outside, a member of their Jehovah’s Witness congregation was driving by and piled them into his car. Men from their congregation had been checking on them and others for weeks, making sure everyone had a go-bag, flashlights, water and a plan.

If the parents had to leave the country as refugees, Mr. Telischak trusted other Witnesses would take them in. “Having a community, or a religion that is borderless, that is a tremendous comfort to us,” he said.

He has been finding comfort in the Gospel of Matthew, in which Jesus told his disciples not to fear when there would be wars and rumors of wars, when nation would rise against nation.

“We also understand the Bible foretells a time when all this goes away, when there won’t be these wars anymore, there won’t be these conflicts between nations, and enmity and strife,” he said. “The disciples weren’t asking because they wanted to know when things would get really bad. They wanted to know, when was the solution, when was the fix going to come.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/26/us/americans-russia-ukraine.html

[Strength of the Young]

18 minutes ago, Sofia said:

Postponed 2 hours?

this time there s no veto power

All it takes its 9 votes out of 15 for the resolution pass

If it passes, tomorrow the same vetoed resolution will be presented for vote among 193 members of the emergency general assembly meeting

 

if it passes it will empower UN to act with “teeth” against Russia

 

more details here:

https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/whatsinblue/2022/02/ukraine-vote-on-draft-uniting-for-peace-resolution.php

China doesn't have veto power too?

[Paulo]

29 minutes ago, Sofia said:

this time there s no veto power

All it takes its 9 votes out of 15 for the resolution pass

If it passes, tomorrow the same vetoed resolution will be presented for vote among 193 members of the emergency general assembly meeting

 

if it passes it will empower UN to act with “teeth” against Russia

20 minutes ago, Sofia said:

The question here that it’s remarkable is

after so many years asking for the UN reform, it will be done instantly due to an emergency situation 

 

I can see this fitting the near future role of UN as executer of BTG

 

It makes a huge lot of sense

What is so important in this resolution? Am I missing something?

Can you please explain?

 

On February 25th there was a "vote on a draft resolution condemning Russia’s aggression against Ukraine", which was vetoed by Russia.

Today "the Security Council is expected to vote on a draft resolution calling for an “emergency special session” (ESS) of the General Assembly to consider and recommend collective action on the situation in Ukraine". In other words, they will vote to present another resolution to be voted at the general assembly. There are no veto powers in the general assembly, as there is no legal binding also.

 

 

[Dhanyel]

The president of Russia is a great danger because he calls to talk and then attacks! Let's see how these negotiations between the two countries will be!

[Shawnster]

57 minutes ago, Paulo said:

What is so important in this resolution? Am I missing something?

Can you please explain?

 

On February 25th there was a "vote on a draft resolution condemning Russia’s aggression against Ukraine", which was vetoed by Russia.

Today "the Security Council is expected to vote on a draft resolution calling for an “emergency special session” (ESS) of the General Assembly to consider and recommend collective action on the situation in Ukraine". In other words, they will vote to present another resolution to be voted at the general assembly. There are no veto powers in the general assembly, as there is no legal binding also.

 

 

And please, also, explain how this would give the UN any power besides telling Russia its been a bad girl.  Because, to my understanding, "vote on a draft resolution condemning Russia’s aggression against Ukraine" simply means telling Russia she's been bad. 

[Amygdala]

According to §4, it would allow these recommendations:

 

https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/whatsinblue/2022/02/ukraine-vote-on-draft-uniting-for-peace-resolution.php

 

Quote

the General Assembly shall consider the matter immediately and may issue appropriate recommendations to UN members for collective measures, including the use of armed force when necessary, to maintain or restore international peace and security.

 

 

 

[Sofia]

1 hour ago, Sofia said:

Postponed 2 hours?

this time there s no veto power

All it takes its 9 votes out of 15 for the resolution pass

If it passes, tomorrow the same vetoed resolution will be presented for vote among 193 members of the emergency general assembly meeting

 

if it passes it will empower UN to act with “teeth” against Russia

 

more details here:

https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/whatsinblue/2022/02/ukraine-vote-on-draft-uniting-for-peace-resolution.php

IT PASSED! Tomorrow the UNGA will meet in an emergency meeting to account responsible Russia for all it´s deeds in Ukraine. Will UN be giving teeth?

 

Keeping on the watch

1 hour ago, Strength of the Young said:

China doesn't have veto power too?

Yes, but on this matter, NO ONE can use its veto power, because its a way OUT of veto power. It worked. Now it´s at UNGA. Tomorrow more news.

[Sofia]

18 minutes ago, Woanders said:

According to §4, it would allow these recommendations:

 

https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/whatsinblue/2022/02/ukraine-vote-on-draft-uniting-for-peace-resolution.php

 

 

 

 

Exactly! well written:

 

18 minutes ago, Woanders said:

the General Assembly shall consider the matter immediately and may issue appropriate recommendations to UN members for collective measures, including the use of armed force when necessary, to maintain or restore international peace and security.

 

29 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

And please, also, explain how this would give the UN any power besides telling Russia its been a bad girl.  Because, to my understanding, "vote on a draft resolution condemning Russia’s aggression against Ukraine" simply means telling Russia she's been bad. 

Let me explain:

 

Ukraine: Vote on Draft “Uniting for Peace” Resolution WAS APROVED

This afternoon (27 February), the Security Council is expected to vote on a draft resolution calling for an “emergency special session” (ESS) of the General Assembly to consider and recommend collective action on the situation in Ukraine. The draft resolution, tabled by Albania and the US, the co-penholders on Ukraine, was put in blue yesterday (26 February). The draft text is a “Uniting for Peace” resolution, whereby the Council refers a situation on which its permanent members are deadlocked to the General Assembly. If adopted, it would be the first such resolution the Council has adopted in four decades.

Today’s vote takes place amid a large-scale attack by Russian military forces targeting numerous major cities in Ukraine—including its capital, Kyiv—which involves aerial and ground operations. As of 26 February, the Ukrainian government reported at least 198 civilian deaths and injuries to approximately 1,115 people. At the same time, the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) documented at least 64 civilian deaths and 176 injuries, while noting that these figures may be an underestimate. Moreover, as at today (27 February), at least 368,000 people have fled Ukraine since the attacks began on 24 February, according to UN High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi. According to media reports, Russia and Ukraine may soon hold direct talks about the conflict, as Ukraine has agreed to meet the Russian delegation on the Belarus-Ukraine border.

The Council will vote on the draft text in blue two days after Russia vetoed a draft resolution that deplored its aggression against Ukraine in violation of article 2, paragraph 4 of the UN Charter and demanded that it immediately withdraw all its military forces from Ukraine. In addition to the Russian veto, 11 members voted in favour of the text and three members abstained (China, India and the United Arab Emirates). The draft resolution was co-sponsored by 81 member states. (For more information, see our 25 February What’s in Blue story.)

The draft resolution that will be considered today decides to call for an ESS of the General Assembly due to the lack of unanimity among the Council’s permanent members regarding the situation in Ukraine, which it argues has prevented the Security Council from exercising its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security. This language is in line with General Assembly resolution 377 A (V) of 3 November 1950, also known as “Uniting for Peace”, which states that if the Security Council, because of a lack of unanimity among its five permanent members, fails to act as required to maintain international peace and security, the General Assembly shall consider the matter immediately and may issue appropriate recommendations to UN members for collective measures, including the use of armed force when necessary, to maintain or restore international peace and security.

Resolution 377 A (V) maintains that an ESS of the General Assembly can be called if requested by the Security Council “on the vote of any seven members [nine since 1965 when the Council expanded from 11 to 15 members], or by a majority of the Members of the United Nations”. Typically, important questions considered by the General Assembly require a two-thirds majority and Article 27(2) of the UN Charter states that decisions of a procedural matter shall be made by an affirmative vote of nine Security Council members. Furthermore, Council resolutions referring a matter to the General Assembly have historically been adopted despite a negative vote from a permanent member, and thus are viwed as procedural matters not subject to a veto. (Information on voting on procedural and non-procedural matters can be found in the UN Repertoire.) Resolution 377 (A) calls on the General Assembly to convene the ESS within 24 hours.

There have been seven instances when the Council adopted a resolution referring a deadlocked situation to the General Assembly. If today’s draft is adopted, it will represent the first time the Council has done so since 1982. The General Assembly has invoked “Uniting for Peace” on at least four occasions, most recently in 1997. (See our supplemental insert on Security Council Deadlocks and Uniting for Peace: An Abridged History.)

The current scenario bears some similarity to developments following a Russian veto in March 2014 of a draft resolution on Ukraine declaring the 16 March 2014 referendum in Crimea illegal (S/2014/189). In that instance, however, the Security Council did not vote on a resolution referring the matter to the General Assembly; rather, the General Assembly reacted independently to the situation by adopting a resolution on 27 March 2014, titled “Territorial integrity of Ukraine” (A/RES/68/262), which received 100 votes in favour, 11 against and 58 abstentions (24 member states were either absent or were present and did not vote). While the General Assembly could choose to discuss and vote on a resolution on the current situation in Ukraine in the same way, it appears that the goal of several Council members is to send a strong political signal by pursuing a Security Council “Uniting for Peace” resolution.

[Sofia]

There´s a lot of international law here. Im a vet not a lawyer... but I ve read the UN rules/Chart

 

In case of a big stall, like the one happened on friday, UNGA may be called to condemn Russia.

What can happen tomorrow?

With the power given today by the 11 votes, UN can interfere with the Ukraine conflict.

Can even expel Russia from the Security council.

 

Let´s see what happens. For many decades this type of emergency assembly hasnt been done,

last time was during War of Korea. USSR was vetoing all resolutions. So it was necessary to go around the veto power.

 

Now after 60 years it has happened again.

 

It s now known that Russia was strangely integrated at UN. That situation came across giving a pretext to ousting or lose of powers. In 1945 it was USSR who signed the chart. Russia didnt exist. Russia´s integration in UN was accepted without a formal sustainable approval. Nobody opposed... and the request was accepted. It can be objected. 

[Sofia]

Neither Kirill or the Pope have condemn "Russia" or "Putin" for the invasion.

 

Moscow patriarch fails to condemn causes of lethal combat

PATRIARCH KIRILL URGES SIDES IN UKRAINIAN CONFLICT TO AVOID CIVILIAN CASUALTIES

Interfax, 24 February 2022

 

Patriarch of Moscow and all-Rus Kirill called for avoidance of casualties among the civilian population within the zone of conflict in Ukraine.

 

"I urge all sides of the conflict to do everything possible in order to avoid casualties among the civilian residents," says the patriarch's appeal, which was published Thursday evening on the website of the Russian Orthodox Church.

 

Patriarch Kirill declared that he feels the sufferings of the people caused by events with deep and heartfelt pain. "As patriarch of all-Rus and primate of the church whose flock is located in Russia, Ukraine, and other countries, I empathize with all who are affected by the disaster," the patriarch writes.

 

He appealed to bishops, pastors, monastics, and laity to provide comprehensive assistance for all who suffer, including refugees and those without shelter and means of subsistence.

 

Patriarch Kirill recalled that the Russian and Ukrainian peoples have a common history of many centuries, dating back to the baptism of Rus by the holy equal-to-apostles Prince Vladimir. "I believe that this God-given identity will help to overcome the divisions and contradictions that have arisen and led to the current conflict," the primate writes.

 

He urged the full plenitude of the Russian church to raise profound and fervent prayer for the speedy restoration of peace.  (tr. by PDS, posted 25 February 2022)

Edited February 27, 2022 by Sofia

[New World Explorer]

17 minutes ago, Sofia said:

Im a vet not a lawyer...

Same thing...they both charge a lot! LOL 🤣

[Sofia]

Im listening the Russian Federation SC president speech,

It´s absolutely incredible...

On his lips Russia is a poor country humiliated, and misinterpreted...

Im being neutral. Just staring at what he said

 

Curious to see what the emergency meeting UNGA achieves tomorrow.

If UN is going to destroy BTG soon, it must have ways to do it. Ways that may be raised in the future days, that dont have now ... (?)

This conflict coming now at the cusp of GT, must mean something... I think it means. Involving UN.

 

Keeping on the watch.

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by Sofia

[ChrisC]

So does the U.N. have gums at the moment, or false teeth?

I’m trying to get the right image in my head.

[Dages]

3 minutes ago, ChrisC said:

So does the U.N. have gums at the moment, or false teeth?

I’m trying to get the right image in my head.

We will see tomorrow

[Paulo]

OK, I see the reasoning behind it. Thank you for explaining it.

 

The reason the founders of UN gave some members a veto power was because the world just exited from a war where fought because red lines, a lot of them, were crossed. In order to resolve disputes between nuclear powers, said powers were given a veto power.

In other words, the five core members were given a veto power so there would no need for them to "express their feelings" with a use of a bomb, a dangerous thing for a nuclear power to do. Instead of droping a bomb just someone crossed your red line at UN, you simple veto it.

 

Russia at UN. There was not also a PRC at UN in 1946, but there was a ROC. PRC replaced ROC in 1971.

The same logic was used to replace USSR by Russia in 1991(?)

There was no objections from any former USSR member, Russia had the majority of the people and the land of USSR, half the economy, all the nukes and, most important, assumed all debt and responsabilities of USSR.

Anyway, Russia outside UN, or without a veto, would be a rogue country. A very powerful and nuclear rogue one.

 

I would prefer to already be deep in GT when that happens.

 

Anyway after the last call between Putin and Xi, in February 25th, the russian said that both leaders agreed to "closely coordinate” their actions and support each other in the United Nations and on other international platforms.

 

[Sofia]

10 minutes ago, ChrisC said:

So does the U.N. have gums at the moment, or false teeth?

I’m trying to get the right image in my head.

yes. The veto power makes some resolutions DONT pass ....

4 minutes ago, Paulo said:

There was not also a PRC at UN in 1946, but there was a ROC. PRC replaced ROC in 1971

also not by true legal means. So if russia leaves, china may leave too

[Sofia]

5 minutes ago, Paulo said:

The same logic was used to replace USSR by Russia in 1991(?)

There was no objections from any former USSR member,

exactly. But some legal experts realize they may object legally to this

[Paulo]

2 minutes ago, Sofia said:

also not by true legal means. So if russia leaves, china may leave too

That may turn into a pandora box, as even UK is now a shadow of it former self of 1946, plus it does not even have autonomous nuclear weapons.

 

Kicking Russia and China would probably begin the end of UN as half the world already thinks there are only 3 members with veto power, as west powers always "collude". Hence the request for more powers for southern hemisphere countries at international institutions. Plus, India and Paquistan, among others, are nuclear powers without veto powers.

 

And remember Jehovah wants UN alive and kicking until the end.

But it may well turn into a bag of cats.

[Sofia]

5 minutes ago, Paulo said:

That may turn into a pandora box, as even UK is now a shadow of it former self of 1946, plus it does not even have autonomous nuclear weapons.

 

Kicking Russia and China would probably begin the end of UN as half the world already thinks there are only 3 members with veto power, as west powers always "collude". Hence the request for more powers for southern hemisphere countries at international institutions. Plus, India and Paquistan, among others, are nuclear powers without veto powers.

 

And remember Jehovah wants UN alive and kicking until the end.

But it may well turn into a bag of cats.

I see your point.

But if UN doesnt do anything against Russia NOW it will lose all credibility... it may colapse (?) FAil (?), like the nations league failed back in 1939.

But we know from Bible that it wont happen, so something weird must come up from that UNGA meeting tomorrow...

UN must prove the World that is effective!

Bible says that the governs will give UN power to accomplish Jehovah´s will.

Will it happen tomorrow? NOT BTG destruction! no, not yet. But gain more power...

Im so curious!

Edited February 27, 2022 by Sofia

[Amygdala]

Sofia, maybe have a glass of wine and somehow not think about it anymore for the night...let the day have it's rest now as tomorrow will surely be another day of blitz... 🌩️😉

[Dhanyel]

Even if nothing happens, these pushes were strong between the king of the north and the king of the south!  The birth pains were much stronger!

Edited February 27, 2022 by Jonadab

[Dustparticle]

It seems like it get worst day by day. One crazy world.