The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[Bob]

2 minutes ago, Ludwika said:

No, not really, just talking about trust. That of course doesn't stop one from doing research, that's commendable.

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Who said I didn’t trust them? We are talking about life saving action, and a doctrinal adjustment. 
 

Trust is needed for both. That’s a given. 

Edited July 16, 2020 by Bob

[Shawnster]

I've split the off-topic discussion about research vs. confirmation bias into a new discussion https://jwtalk.net/topic/45892-personal-research-vs-confirmation-bias/

 

We now return this conversation to the topic of Coronavirus.

[trottigy]

On 7/14/2020 at 6:41 AM, Bob said:

Lockdowns have consequences? Of course they do, and pretty serious health consequences during a pandemic in which good health is paramount to fighting the disease. 

 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/coronavirus-weight-gain-76-americans-nutrisystem

It is interesting that Jehovah mandated "lock-downs" or quarantines in Bible times to limit the spread of extremely infectious diseases. I wonder if he knew there would be “consequences".

[Bob]

1 minute ago, trottigy said:

It is interesting that Jehovah mandated "lock-downs" or quarantines in Bible times to limit the spread of extremely infectious diseases. I wonder if he knew there would be “consequences".

Really good observation, brother. You're correct. But he quarantined the sick, not the healthy. During this pandemic, the quarantines were indiscriminate and both the healthy AND sick were forced into the same enclosed places, both knowingly and unknowingly, by the governments, and that caused the sick to infect the healthy, mostly, unknowingly because they may not have known they had COVID.

 

Now Jehovah is God so he would know who to separate, and he doesn't make indiscriminate decisions like that. 

[runner92]

3 hours ago, Bob said:

Really good observation, brother. You're correct. But he quarantined the sick, not the healthy. During this pandemic, the quarantines were indiscriminate and both the healthy AND sick were forced into the same enclosed places, both knowingly and unknowingly, by the governments, and that caused the sick to infect the healthy, mostly, unknowingly because they may not have known they had COVID.

 

Now Jehovah is God so he would know who to separate, and he doesn't make indiscriminate decisions like that. 

But the alternative is they’d be out and about spreading it. What option was there when an asymptomatic person can spread it? There’s no way to tell who’s sick and who’s not.

[Shawnster]

4 hours ago, Bob said:

Really good observation, brother. You're correct. But he quarantined the sick, not the healthy.

There was that time when Jehovah forced 8 people to live on a boat with a bunch of smelly animals.  A whole year.  Couldn't even go outside and walk around and the only people for company were family/in-laws.  No wifi, no internet, no cable TV.  Just living in a box on the ocean for a year.

[Bob]

20 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

There was that time when Jehovah forced 8 people to live on a boat with a bunch of smelly animals.  A whole year.  Couldn't even go outside and walk around and the only people for company were family/in-laws.  No wifi, no internet, no cable TV.  Just living in a box on the ocean for a year.

True.

Edited July 16, 2020 by Bob

[Bob]

1 hour ago, runner92 said:

But the alternative is they’d be out and about spreading it. What option was there when an asymptomatic person can spread it? There’s no way to tell who’s sick and who’s not.

Who would have known? It was like 4000 years ago. Only Jehovah would have known. But that's why he ONLY isolated the sick!

[Tortuga]

46 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

There was that time when Jehovah forced 8 people to live on a boat with a bunch of smelly animals.  A whole year.  Couldn't even go outside and walk around and the only people for company were family/in-laws.  No wifi, no internet, no cable TV.  Just living in a box on the ocean for a year.

At least they had window boxes...🤣😂

[Hugh O'D]

7 hours ago, Shawnster said:

I've split the off-topic discussion

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

5 hours ago, Bob said:

But he quarantined the sick, not the healthy.

Inaccurate. While the Leper was quarantined until they'd recovered others who'd been in contact with something unclean was frequently considered unclean until evening and also had to wash (e.g. Leviticus 11:25). They weren't quarantined because they were sick, they were quarantined because there was a chance of their spreading sickness. 

 

Earlier in this thread when I pointed out that the FDS has imposed quarantine you said I was using the Brothers against your opinions, I agreed, after all, I'm no medical expert, therefore I can only obey the organization and I know from your clarifying comments that you do too. Bottom line. The FDS says to Quarantine. The FDS says that if someone really really can't quarantine then they have to be very very careful. Their definition of being careful includes wearing masks. This announcement has been posted more than once on this thread and also around the forum. I've nothing new to add to this.

[trottigy]

Just a thought about masks:

 

painters and certain construction workers around dust have been wearing masks all work days most of the day and it’s just what they do.  In fact, OSHA (and all branch work) requires them where silica dust is present. And no one said, “hey this is killing people!”

 

Funny how things can get political that are just common sense. I’m glad the US branch issued a guideline saying - if you have to go out in public “wear a mask”. Nothing political from them. They just care about our lives!

 

 

[Bob]

4 hours ago, Hugh O'D said:

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Inaccurate. While the Leper was quarantined until they'd recovered others who'd been in contact with something unclean was frequently considered unclean until evening and also had to wash (e.g. Leviticus 11:25). They weren't quarantined because they were sick, they were quarantined because there was a chance of their spreading sickness. 

 

Earlier in this thread when I pointed out that the FDS has imposed quarantine you said I was using the Brothers against your opinions, I agreed, after all, I'm no medical expert, therefore I can only obey the organization and I know from your clarifying comments that you do too. Bottom line. The FDS says to Quarantine. The FDS says that if someone really really can't quarantine then they have to be very very careful. Their definition of being careful includes wearing masks. This announcement has been posted more than once on this thread and also around the forum. I've nothing new to add to this.

The FDS doesn’t “impose” quarantine. They cannot as each person’s situation differs. 
 

However, do as you wish. Your conscious is not binding on others. And my conscious is not binding on you. We are still brothers and sisters.
 

I do respect your viewpoints.

Edited July 17, 2020 by Bob

[Bob]

4 hours ago, Hugh O'D said:

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Inaccurate. While the Leper was quarantined until they'd recovered others who'd been in contact with something unclean was frequently considered unclean until evening and also had to wash (e.g. Leviticus 11:25). They weren't quarantined because they were sick, they were quarantined because there was a chance of their spreading sickness. 

 

Earlier in this thread when I pointed out that the FDS has imposed quarantine you said I was using the Brothers against your opinions, I agreed, after all, I'm no medical expert, therefore I can only obey the organization and I know from your clarifying comments that you do too. Bottom line. The FDS says to Quarantine. The FDS says that if someone really really can't quarantine then they have to be very very careful. Their definition of being careful includes wearing masks. This announcement has been posted more than once on this thread and also around the forum. I've nothing new to add to this.

And if they’ve been in contact with the infected person, they are rightfully contaminated. And they are rightfully quarantined.

 

I don’t see what the problem is. The person who had no contact with the sick person is not quarantined.

[Shawnster]

Along Jerry's lines about masks...  Using examples of people using masks inappropriately really isn't a valid point against the use of masks.  I mean, they are using masks wrong so of course they will have bad experiences. 

 

There is no mandate to wear a mask when driving your own car.  If someone has an auto accident because they were wearing a mask, that's on them.  It's not the masks fault the person was not wearing a mask appropriately and responsibly.  Talk about your logical fallacies. 

 

 

[JW-Ind]

Sorry for being OOT. Just noticed that this 6-month old thread has surpassed the 6-year old P&S thread in the number of replies 😀

[Ferb]

5 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Along Jerry's lines about masks...  Using examples of people using masks inappropriately really isn't a valid point against the use of masks.  I mean, they are using masks wrong so of course they will have bad experiences. 

 

There is no mandate to wear a mask when driving your own car.  If someone has an auto accident because they were wearing a mask, that's on them.  It's not the masks fault the person was not wearing a mask appropriately and responsibly.  Talk about your logical fallacies. 

 

Indeed. If the guy who passed out wearing a mask while driving his car had instead passed out while, say, walking down a flight of stairs in a public place, it would have been perfectly safe, because he would have been using a mask appropriately and responsibly.

[Shawnster]

4 hours ago, Ferb said:

Indeed. If the guy who passed out wearing a mask while driving his car had instead passed out while, say, walking down a flight of stairs in a public place, it would have been perfectly safe, because he would have been using a mask appropriately and responsibly.

Or, you know, he could have sat down.  Or stopped and pulled his mask down or off for a couple of minutes to catch his breath.  Much easier to stop and take a breather when on foot than driving along the road. 

 

I've had times where I have had to pull my mask aside.  I understand that need.  Common sense should prevail.  People drank bleach, though, so common sense isn't common. 

[Hotteok]

wearing a mask is a lot easier in some Asian countries like Korea and Japan for cultural and other reasons.

 

1. We have mask factories. 

- I don’t need to explain this.

2. We are used to wearing masks.

- People have been wearing masks for health reasons thanks to dust coming from either Korea itself or China.

3. People are afraid of being criticized in front of the public. 

- I think it’s because Korea is a collectivistic country. People are more conscious of how they are viewed by other people.

4. The size of the country is pretty small.

-It’s relevant because the speed of information spreading is fast and that means the faster speed of collective consciousness.

Edited July 17, 2020 by Tryin'SoHardToBeSpiritual

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14 Million marker
The top 3 countries account for nearly half of the cases.

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Edited July 17, 2020 by Maʹher-shalʹal-hash-baz
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[EccentricM]

Test results just came back, we're clear. No COVID.

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Test results just came back, we're clear. No COVID.

That is good news!

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[pnutts]

Part of the reason for Florida's high rate.

Spoiler

Look at the image in the mirror

 

 

[pnutts]

Some people just can not follow the rules, but their pets can and do a better job at it.

 

 

[pnutts]

Just got email from US Walmart about mandatory mask policy going into effect on Monday July 20th.😷

 

<<We’ll have a health ambassador stationed near the entrance of our stores to help remind you of this policy. The ambassadors will be identifiable by their black polo shirts.

We also encourage you to try our pickup and delivery services, which do not require the use of a mask. Sign up through our app or Walmart.com.

Thank you for being an important part of the Walmart family, and for your help in ensuring that shopping at our stores is a safe experience for all.

-The Walmart Customer Care Team >>😷

 

Plus in our city come 12:01 AM Saturday July 18th masks must be worn in all public places - store, cinemas, offices, etc. The people of London demanded this.🤧

[daydream]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/nyregion/coronavirus-nyc-schools-reopening-outdoors.html?action=click&block=associated_collection_recirc&impression_id=908195390&index=1&pgtype=Article&region=footer

Schools Beat Earlier Plagues With Outdoor Classes. We Should, Too.

A century ago, children in New York City attended classes during a pandemic. It seemed to work.

 

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It found that those participating in an outdoor science class showed increased attention over those in a control group who continued to learn conventionally. At John M. Patterson, an elementary school in Philadelphia, suspensions went from 50 a year to zero after a playground was built in which students maintain a rain-garden and take gym and some science classes

....hundreds of studies over the years have demonstrated a positive correlation between engagement with nature and academics; some researchers have found that outdoor learning can improve both standardized test scores and graduation rates.

Perhaps we can try to have open air Bible discussion especially for children once our Society give us the OK  to restart our face to face Bible study. Once I noticed a young MS brother and his wife conduct a study with a teenage in a restaurant. A bit noisy and full of distraction.