Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[outwalkin]

https://www.wmtw.com/article/can-i-stop-wearing-a-mask-after-getting-a-covid-19-vaccine/34925971

 

"It's also not yet known whether the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines protect people from infection entirely, or just from symptoms. That means vaccinated people might still be able to get infected and pass the virus on, although it would likely be at a much lower rate, said Deborah Fuller, a vaccine expert at the University of Washington."

[Friends just call me Ross]

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BUT MICHAL LINIAL, a professor of biological chemistry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, told the Post that she believes there is no cause for concern.
 
She said that while Moderna and Pfizer are based on new vaccine technologies, they are asking our bodies to do something they do every day: protein synthesis, the process where cells make proteins.
Moderna and Pfizer are simply delivering a specific mRNA sequence to our cells. Once the mRNA is in the cell, human biology takes over. Ribosomes read the code and build the protein, and the cells express the protein in the body.
 
She said her concerns have less to do with the use of mRNA and more to do with the long-term efficacy of the vaccine, as well as other challenges that could cause something to go wrong and lead people to believe they are vaccinated when they are not.

 

For example, she said that because mRNA is so fragile, the Pfizer vaccine must be stored at negative 70 degrees Celsius. If the ideal environment is not maintained, the vaccine could “spoil” and become ineffective.

 

In addition, she said several questions remain, such as whether these vaccines will really be able to mount a sufficiently protective immune response and how long that immunity would last.
“It would be the worst [scenario] if people behave like they are immune but can still become infected,” Linial said.
 
But when asked if she would take the vaccine right away, she responded: “I won’t be taking it immediately – probably not for at least the coming year,” she told the Post. “We have to wait and see whether it really works.”

Wonder if that is the only reason she won't be taking it immediately? 

[Tortuga]

13 minutes ago, Friends just call me Ross said:

But when asked if she would take the vaccine right away, she responded: “I won’t be taking it immediately – probably not for at least the coming year,” she told the Post. “We have to wait and see whether it really works.”

By using it on old people, front line medical help and first responders? Apparently they must expect it to work, otherwise the entire front line of defense will be wiped out by friendly fire...

[Old]

51 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

By using it on old people, front line medical help and first responders? Apparently they must expect it to work, otherwise the entire front line of defense will be wiped out by friendly fire...

To say nothing of us 'old people'. 

[Tortuga]

38 minutes ago, Old said:

To say nothing of us 'old people'. 

The professors comment confuses me. She says there is no cause for alarm but she personally wont take the vaccine for a year because they want to see if it works. What is she waiting for?

[Loopy]

Where did my post go?

 

Anyway, probably not willing to be a guinea pig, watching for reactions, allergic and the like. Or worse 🤷‍♀️

 

Should give reasons I guess

Edited December 11, 2020 by Loopy

[rocket]

3 hours ago, Loopy said:

Where did my post go?

 

Anyway, probably not willing to be a guinea pig, watching for reactions, allergic and the like. Or worse 🤷‍♀️

 

Should give reasons I guess

Maybe your post was in one of the other vaccine threads.  (Miss seeing you on Zoom Chats)

[Loopy]

2 minutes ago, rocket said:

Maybe your post was in one of the other vaccine threads.  (Miss seeing you on Zoom Chats)

Thank you.  Either the 11 am eastern one is on a service day...or I forget all about it. (Bad brain cells) 

Always forget about the 4 pm eastern one.

 

Only excuses I have 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

 

[Qapla]

There is also the 9 PM EST one - that is 8 PM your time

 

Everyone on JWT is welcome

[sunshine]

6 hours ago, outwalkin said:

https://www.wmtw.com/article/can-i-stop-wearing-a-mask-after-getting-a-covid-19-vaccine/34925971

 

"It's also not yet known whether the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines protect people from infection entirely, or just from symptoms. That means vaccinated people might still be able to get infected and pass the virus on, although it would likely be at a much lower rate, said Deborah Fuller, a vaccine expert at the University of Washington."

 

I think it's a fair comment, so much depends on what we learn from the trials.  The spokesman for the British government Mat Hancock explained they dont yet know if the vaccine stops transmission. As the Pziter trial continues experts will be able to study the long term effects and learn more.

[SUNRAY]

Here it is!  Pfizer's vaccine ingredients! Are there any chemists here?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.technologyreview.com/2020/12/09/1013538/what-are-the-ingredients-of-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine/amp/

[Lance]

So 

1) you have the Messenger RNA sequence that is short lived .. like a instructional email that gets deleted once it arrives

 

2)Lipids or fats .. not a problem... your body absorbs it and your liver breaks it down..they can be positively charged so there is an attraction to the cell..so they are the carriers for the particles.. like a padded fat envelope 

 

3) Salts  are there to control PH levels .. to match your body’s ph.. our body has all types of salts... not an issue 

 

4) Sugar .. is  just used to protect everything while frozen 

 

5) There are no preservatives mentioned, other than sugar, salt and freezing... so no issue with heavy metals or chemicals.

 

6)There are no adjuvants mentioned.. that in many vaccines are used to enhance the immune response... and can cause reaction in some people. 
 

7) it is not a perfect elegant solution for everyone because everyone’s immune system is a little different and mounting an immune response always causes  some issues .. your body goes into fight mode.

 

 The mRNA has to get into the cell ..most cells have a water loving end and a water hating end

there are also charges involved.. .. so all the above little packets of fat and mRNA get into the cell to start manufacturing certain proteins...

The mRNA doesn’t go into the nucleus of the cell where the DNA resides.... it interacts in the cytoplasm of the cell. so your DNA is not changed.

Think of an egg.. shell, white and yolk

this packet of information gets through the shell into the white or cytoplasm, but not the yolk..

 

This type of treatment has been used for number of years now in the treatment of certain cancers .. it is called immunotherapy where they get your own body to fight the cancer cells..

 

My nephew is on a trial treatment for mantle cell lymphoma... with in 3 days of treatment he had dramatic results ..they also did a short coarse of chemo therapy... it has now been 3 years and he has been cancer free... with very little side effects.

The down side it was very expensive ... some countries are starting to cover it in their health plan.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2020 by Lance

[Lewis]

Here’s a site that answers alot of question about Covid-19 vaccine.

 

https://elemental.medium.com/every-covid-19-vaccine-question-youll-ever-have-answered-9a0eeb334ded

[carlos]

14 hours ago, Lance said:

So 

1) you have the Messenger RNA sequence that is short lived .. like a instructional email that gets deleted once it arrives

Thanks, Lance, for putting it all in simple terms. I understood everything in your post.

[rbrown1205]

An interesting explanation of how the Pfizer vaccine works:

 

https://youtu.be/-92HQA0GcI8

[mramirez720]

23 hours ago, Lance said:

So 

1) you have the Messenger RNA sequence that is short lived .. like a instructional email that gets deleted once it arrives

 

2)Lipids or fats .. not a problem... your body absorbs it and your liver breaks it down..they can be positively charged so there is an attraction to the cell..so they are the carriers for the particles.. like a padded fat envelope 

 

3) Salts  are there to control PH levels .. to match your body’s ph.. our body has all types of salts... not an issue 

 

4) Sugar .. is  just used to protect everything while frozen 

 

5) There are no preservatives mentioned, other than sugar, salt and freezing... so no issue with heavy metals or chemicals.

 

6)There are no adjuvants mentioned.. that in many vaccines are used to enhance the immune response... and can cause reaction in some people. 
 

7) it is not a perfect elegant solution for everyone because everyone’s immune system is a little different and mounting an immune response always causes  some issues .. your body goes into fight mode.

 

 The mRNA has to get into the cell ..most cells have a water loving end and a water hating end

there are also charges involved.. .. so all the above little packets of fat and mRNA get into the cell to start manufacturing certain proteins...

The mRNA doesn’t go into the nucleus of the cell where the DNA resides.... it interacts in the cytoplasm of the cell. so your DNA is not changed.

Think of an egg.. shell, white and yolk

this packet of information gets through the shell into the white or cytoplasm, but not the yolk..

 

This type of treatment has been used for number of years now in the treatment of certain cancers .. it is called immunotherapy where they get your own body to fight the cancer cells..

 

My nephew is on a trial treatment for mantle cell lymphoma... with in 3 days of treatment he had dramatic results ..they also did a short coarse of chemo therapy... it has now been 3 years and he has been cancer free... with very little side effects.

The down side it was very expensive ... some countries are starting to cover it in their health plan.

 

 

Thank you for the simplification...so happy about your nephew!

[rocket]

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-12-13-20/h_ca44746906cca7efdad6cd96aa749d08

 

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US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield has accepted the recommendation of the agency’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices that Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine may be given to people ages 16 and older.

 

This means that shots can now be administered in the United States.

 

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Health experts are warning it's likely the US won't see any meaningful, widespread impacts from vaccinations until well into 2021.

 

FDA commissioner's advice on taking the vaccine if you have allergies 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/12/13/coronavirus-vaccine-fda-commissioner-stephen-hahn-sotu-tapper-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/

[Sequoia]

It was announced at meeting today from the branch that the vaccine that was just released from Pfizer, has no blood or blood fractions in it.  I knew that already since my cousin who is an elder and a paramedic has researched the different vaccines.  The branch said they will release information about other vaccines later.

Edited December 13, 2020 by JW2017

[The Outcast]

13 minutes ago, JW2017 said:

It was announced at meeting today from the branch that the vaccine that was just released from Pfizer, has no blood or blood fractions in it.  I knew that already since my cousin who is an elder and a paramedic has researched the different vaccines.  The branch said they will release information about other vaccines later.

That's good to hear. You can read the entire announcement several times on the previous pages.

[Lee49]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/13/health/covid-vaccine-rollout-messy/index.html

 

The coronavirus vaccine rollout will be messy. People will have to deal with that.

 A vaccine kit sent to the wrong state. A hospital system in California expecting to get powdered vaccines instead of frozen vials. And tens of thousands of people expect to get vaccinated in the coming weeks, when in reality they are going to have to wait for months.

 jokes about military precision aside, experts are already expecting a lot of confusion, a fair amount of fear and more than a little outrage.

"The public has to be cognizant that there is going to be unfairness or error or sometimes just stupidity," said Juliette Kayyem, a security specialist 

Here are some of the problems the US public can expect to see with any mass vaccination effort.

   People will have to wait

   Distribution may seem unfair

   There will be side effects

   There will be vaccine scares

   There will be mistakes

 "Vaccines that must be kept frozen at ultra-cold temperatures may thaw out and have to be thrown away. Vaccines may get sent to the wrong destination. A nurse may vigorously shake a precious vial of Pfizer vaccine -- the package insert says that can ruin it, and instead says the vial should be inverted gently a few times to mix the contents. People will forget to come back for their second doses."

"There will be course corrections and someone, sometimes, is just going to do something stupid," Kayyem said.

[Sally]

Here is some information I found.

 

https://www.dcclothesline.com/2020/11/17/doctor-says-they-have-5-days-to-deliver-the-virus-aka-vaccine-as-australian-health-minister-provides-freudian-slip-of-new-world-order-videos/

[hatcheckgirl]

15 minutes ago, Sally said:

Here is some information I found.

 

https://www.dcclothesline.com/2020/11/17/doctor-says-they-have-5-days-to-deliver-the-virus-aka-vaccine-as-australian-health-minister-provides-freudian-slip-of-new-world-order-videos/

This is nothing but drivel and conspiracy theorist. Honestly, just drop the New World Order rubbish. That interview never suggested the NSW health minister was talking about a new world order, and no, it’s not a Freudian slip either. He’s talking about how covid safety in the home is now the new normal. He may have said the words new world order by accident and as you can see he corrected himself. Really, don’t waste your time with this one. 

[Sally]

39 minutes ago, hatcheckgirl said:

This is nothing but drivel and conspiracy theorist. Honestly, just drop the New World Order rubbish. That interview never suggested the NSW health minister was talking about a new world order, and no, it’s not a Freudian slip either. He’s talking about how covid safety in the home is now the new normal. He may have said the words new world order by accident and as you can see he corrected himself. Really, don’t waste your time with this one. 

I am sorry if I caused a misunderstanding. The video was on that page and it was what I referenced since he is the one heading up the effort to get out the vaccine. I thought there were several points of interest in it.

Warm regards

Edited December 14, 2020 by Sally

[sunshine]

On 12/4/2020 at 5:12 PM, sunshine said:

Dont worry, the' government are currently recruiting and training non-medical auxilary staff to administer the millions of doses they have already commissioned. Before you know it there will be free vaccinations at Sainsbury's and drive through jabs at McDonalds.  

 

 

 

 

Found this interesting Wall Street Journal article on one aspect of operation WARP SPEED.... I'm sure theres a UK version in the ready.

 

 

Grocers say they are well-positioned to provide Covid-19 vaccines because a large share of the population lives near one of their stores and their pharmacies regularly offer shots for flu, shingles and other illnesses. For supermarkets, pharmacy operations have historically been a way to bring in more shoppers. Many already have freezers and other tools in stores, as well as pharmacists trained to perform immunizations.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pharmacies-add-freezers-train-staff-to-handle-covid-19-vaccination-drive-11606651217

 

Edited December 14, 2020 by sunshine

[AH173]

28 minutes ago, sunshine said:

Many already have freezers and other tools in stores, as well as pharmacists trained to perform immunizations.

I maybe wrong but does (most, some or few) grocery stores and supermarkets have the super cold (-80 to -100 F) Freezers?