Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[hatcheckgirl]

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/getting-vaccinated-for-covid-19/why-should-i-get-vaccinated-for-covid-19

"If enough people in the community get immunised, the infection can no longer spread from person to person. This would mean outbreaks are much less likely, and the need for preventative measures, like travel restrictions, would decrease."

 

What is herd immunity and how does it relate to the COVID-19 vaccination program?

https://www.ncirs.org.au/covid-19/covid-19-vaccines-frequently-asked-questions

"Herd immunity occurs when enough people are vaccinated to prevent the disease easily moving from person to person. Eventually, most of the population may be able to be protected from a particular disease if the vaccine is sufficiently protective and enough people in the population are vaccinated. Achieving herd immunity usually requires a large proportion of the population to be vaccinated. The exact proportion that will need to be vaccinated to affect the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus depends on characteristics of the disease (e.g. how easily it is transmitted) and characteristics of the vaccine (e.g. its ability to stop transmission, and duration of protection).

It is easier to generate herd immunity with a vaccine that provides long-term protection and that prevents transmission of the infection between people. Vaccines that provide short-term protection require booster doses, making herd immunity harder to achieve.

As we learn more about the characteristics of COVID-19 vaccines and how well they protect against the disease and spread of the virus, many studies will be done to monitor how much impact the vaccines have and whether herd immunity is being developed over time.'

 

Whether you decide on vaccination or not, this is information readily available from trusted sources, used by governments to make decisions about managing the pandemic.  If you would rather choose a difference source - it's your prerogative.  Nothing in this system is ever going to be 100% safe, and until the new world we have to make these sort of personal medical decisions based on the soundest information you can find.  Stay safe, friends.

Edited January 27, 2021 by hatcheckgirl

[Bob]

56 minutes ago, carlos said:

I don't view things that way. Restrictions can be lifted when most of the population are already vaccinated. Until then, you need to avoid infecting others. The vaccine protects you from suffering bad consequences or dying, but it doesn't protect others who aren't vaccinated yet. It doesn't mean the vaccine doesn't work, it means not everybody has taken it.

 

 

Yes I agree. But that isn’t what’s being said. They’re saying that they’re not sure if it prevents serious illness on the ground or if a vaccinated person can infect others.

 

That’s what Phase 3 trials are designed to prove. They give it to a few thousand people, and tell them basically to go get infected and test the vaccine out. Then come back. 
 

To be asking those questions after Phase 3 and after millions and millions of people have taken it, suggests they never proven its efficacy. 
 

In my humble opinion, anyway!

Edited January 27, 2021 by Bob

[Naturale]

10 hours ago, califlorican said:

The link you posted also mentions another opinion from a professor of biological chemistry saying that she doesn’t think it’s a concern,

She went on to say   “It would be the worst [scenario] if people behave like they are immune but can still become infected,” Michal Linial 

[Bob]

Just to close my point, it seems like the messaging deliberately is confusing:

 

“We don’t know if it prevents infection” really means “we don’t know if it prevents 100 percent of infection 100 percent of the time”.
 

The former is highly improbable. We basically know nothing man-made is 100 percent protective 100 percent of the time. 
 

The messaging is bad. As if they are trying to hide something to get us to act a certain way, because if you come out and say “yes the vaccine protects against infection and serious illness 95 percent of the time and prevents transmission at the same rate”, then vaccinated people will stop the restrictions. 
 

It’s like when Facui said in March masks don’t work, because he wanted keep us from buying up all the masks, while fully knowing they were effective.

 

He chose to basically lie to control our behavior. It stands to reason, based on the messaging about the vaccine, that the same game is being played here. 

Edited January 27, 2021 by Bob

[Naturale]

11 hours ago, trottigy said:

EDIT: I can't but wonder - do you just Google the idea YOU have and just quote whatever source seems to verify your pre-conceived bias? 

 

The two quotes I posted yesterday were from here https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101994692#h=1

[Lance]

Ok it seems there is a great need to discuss the polio vaccine... I have started a new topic ... so please if you have a burning urge to discuss the polio virus  go to that topic... please respect people’s choice of medical treatment or lack thereof 

[trottigy]

20 hours ago, Naturale said:

In order to receive Food and Drug Administration approval, the companies will have to prove there are no immediate or short-term negative health effects from taking the vaccines. But when the world begins inoculating itself with these completely new and revolutionary vaccines, it will know virtually nothing about their long-term effects.

... there are unique and unknown risks to messenger RNA vaccines, including local and systemic inflammatory responses that could lead to autoimmune conditions.

www.jpost.com/health-science/could-an-mrna-vaccine-be-dangerous-in-the-long-term-649253+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=im

 

19 hours ago, trottigy said:

EDIT: I can't but wonder - do you just Google the idea YOU have and just quote whatever source seems to verify your pre-conceived bias? 

 

Also, do you actually read the entire article that you link to? For example this statement in that article:

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-an-mrna-vaccine-be-dangerous-in-the-long-term-649253

 

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BUT MICHAL LINIAL, a professor of biological chemistry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, told the Post that she believes there is no cause for concern.

 

Working off of just preconceived notions and looking for support RATHER than doing a factual analysis is DANGEROUS!!! And encouraging others to do the same is even MORE Dangerous. Blind guides lead others into pits!!!

 

7 hours ago, Naturale said:

The two quotes I posted yesterday were from here https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101994692#h=1

Actually that post was from the Jerusalem Post not jw.org. And you only partially quoted it without seeing that it's conclusion was not the same as what you said it was.

Edited January 27, 2021 by trottigy

[Tortuga]

7 hours ago, Naturale said:

The two quotes I posted yesterday were from here https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101994692#h=1

That's an interesting article that uses the reference from the book to highlight something that we already know, that bible prophecy tells us there will be pestilence and mankind can't fix it. That article doesn't discredit vaccinations, it just tells us that mankind's effort to stop sickness and death won't completely work. 

[Trekkinginspace]

On 1/22/2021 at 3:36 PM, Omoyeme said:

Ohio GOP Rep. Steve Stivers Supports $1400 Stimulus Check—Provided You Get COVID Vaccine

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ohio-gop-rep-steve-stivers-supports-1400-stimulus-checkprovided-you-get-covid-vaccine-1563794

 

 

 

 

Just stick me with a fork because ...

 

LOL yeah I saw that. It's not fair because some people can't get it for other health reasons. Even if I wanted to get it, I can't because I have really bad allergies. 

[Naturale]

15 hours ago, trottigy said:

Actually that post was from the Jerusalem Post not jw.org. And you only partially quoted it without seeing that it's conclusion was not the same as what you said it was.

In the article Michal Linial  went on to say     “It would be the worst [scenario] if people behave like they are immune but can still become infected,”

 

 

[New World Explorer]

18 hours ago, Lance said:

Ok it seems there is a great need to discuss the polio vaccine... I have started a new topic ... so please if you have a burning urge to discuss the polio virus  go to that topic... please respect people’s choice of medical treatment or lack thereof 

I agree with your comment about great need to respect personal choices in relation to medical treatment.

This is in line what is already in print: 

Neither a branch office nor the local congregation elders are authorized to make health-care decisions for a Witness, even if he asks what to do. (Gal. 6:5) W15 9/15

Also there is a principle that we should value a lot when discussing sensitive subjects “Let your reasonableness become known to all men.” (Phil. 4:5) 

Pushing one-side view is not compatible with that principle. 

 

I really love how Governing Body handled the issue, and imitating them is the best we can currently do. 

 

So to those who are "anti-vaccine"  I give big hug and say...may go well with you.  Phil 4:5

And to those who are ok with the vaccine, I give hug  and say ..may go well with you as well. Phil 4:5 

 

Spiritual matters are most important, and with regard to health, our expectations should remain reasonable.

Philippians 1:10  - That you may make sure of the more important things, so that you may be flawless and not stumbling others up to the day of Christ;
 

[hatcheckgirl]

Well said my brother. And a big hug back to you 🤗 for your pro-donut stance.

[Lee49]

https://www.rt.com/news/513925-ecuador-fake-covid-vaccines/

 

https://time.com/5933689/ecuador-covid-19-vaccine-scam/

 

Ecuador police raid ‘alternative medicines’ clinic that injected 70,000 doses of FAKE Covid-19 vaccine

  An unlicensed clinic in the Ecuador’s capital Quito offered clients what it falsely claimed to be a $15-per-dose vaccine against Covid-19. The  place was raided and shut down by authorities this week.

 

  What exactly the gullible recipients were injected with is yet to be determined by lab tests. The fake vaccine was offered at $15 per dose, with a course of three doses supposedly giving full immunity. Two chaser injections of a purported ‘cleansing’ drug and a ‘multivitamin’ were given after the main ‘treatment’ for an additional $100. The woman running the clinic claimed to be a specialist in alternative medicine, but had no formal medical degree.

[Lee49]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55857530

 

Covid vaccine: Single-dose Johnson & Johnson jab is 66% effective

 

A new single-dose vaccine has shown to be 66% effective against Covid-19, and offered complete protection against hospitalisation and death in trials.

However, there are signs the jab, made by Belgian pharmaceutical firm Janssen, is less effective against the new variant spreading in South Africa.

The Johnson & Johnson-owned company is looking at whether two doses will give stronger or longer-lasting protection.

It aims to make one billion doses this year.

[Shawnster]

Other drugmakers are making progress with their new vaccine candidates. On Thursday, Novavax released trial data suggesting an 89.8 percent efficacy rate against the original COVID-19 strain, along with a 60 percent rate against the more contagious South African COVID-19 variant.

 

Johnson & Johnson released phase three trial data Friday for their single-shot vaccine candidates, showcasing a 66 percent efficacy rate overall in preventing moderate to severe COVID-19 infections about 28 days after vaccination.

 

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/536453-pfizer-and-moderna-vaccines-may-be-even-more

[hatcheckgirl]

Regarding the Johnson & Johnson vaccine:

 

South African variant 

Several studies have emerged this month showing that a South African variant has mutated in areas of the virus that are key targets of vaccines, reducing their efficacy.

 

“What we are learning is there is different efficacy in different parts of the world,” Mr Stoffels told Reuters.

 

In a sub-study of 6,000 volunteers in South Africa, Stoffels said, the J&J vaccine was 89 per cent effective at preventing severe disease. In the South Africa portion of the trial, 95 per cent of cases were infections with the South African variant.

 

“I am overwhelmed by the fact that this vaccine protected against severe disease even in South Africa,” said Glenda Gray, the joint lead investigator of the South African vaccine trial.

 

So it seems that although the efficacy rate is less than either of the other vaccines, J&J is holding its own in Sth Africa, which is struggling with the highly contagious variant. So, transmission may still be occurring, but people won’t be getting as sick with covid, which bodes well especially in countries without adequate health systems.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/single-shot-johnson-johnson-coronavirus-vaccine-found-to-be-66-per-cent-effective-in-global-trial

[Golfguy74]

I think i will try a shot of Wild Turkey first. hehehe 

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[SUNRAY]

Has anyone thru your research found a list of ingredients for rhe Novavax vaccine and the Johnson and Johnson vaccine? For a vaccine that only needs refrigeration, is there some kind of preservative? If there is an aduvent, what is it?

[SUNRAY]

2 hours ago, SUNRAY said:

Has anyone thru your research found a list of ingredients for rhe Novavax vaccine and the Johnson and Johnson vaccine? For a vaccine that only needs refrigeration, is there some kind of preservative? If there is an aduvent, what is it?

OK..I think I remember that the Novavax vaccine uses as their aduvent the lipid from the soap bark tree. 

Novavax’s technology turns moth cells into factories for a coronavirus protein called spike, which studs the surface of coronaviruses. Its vaccine combines several of the spike proteins in a nanoparticle. To improve the performance of the vaccine, Novavax mixed the spike proteins with a compound called an adjuvant Vaccine using insect cells and soap bark tree aduvent https://www.novavax.com/our-unique-technology Spodoptera frugiperda..army worm larva of moth used to make vaccine

 

Edited January 30, 2021 by SUNRAY
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[Lee49]

https://www.cnn.com/

Massachusetts Democratic congressman, vaccinated for Covid-19, tests positive for virus

 

Democratic Rep. Stephen Lynch of Massachusetts, who has been vaccinated for Covid-19, tested positive for the virus on Friday afternoon and remains asymptomatic, according to his spokeswoman.

"This afternoon U.S. Representative Stephen F. Lynch received a positive test result for COVID-19 after a staff member in the Congressman's Boston office had tested positive earlier in the week,

[Golfguy74]

This whole COVID-19 things reminds meof two sayings.

1) Never let a good crisis go to waste

2) The ends justify the means

 

One reason why Psamls 146:3 is such a good reminder.

[pnutts]

It is interesting that Pfizer is shipping by doses not vials. They changed from 5 to 6 doses per vial provided you use a special needle. Of course they charge by the dose so that is a 20% increase in profit for same amount of product.

The doses that Canada got none of this past week are now going to be calculated at 6 per vial even though not approved yet by Health Canada.

Canada has very few of those special needles.

Pfizer also has to have special freezers which I have noticed some are failing in the US.

[sunshine]

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Expert partnership to explore and establish Human Challenge studies of COVID-19 in the UK

 

Experts from the NHS, academia and the private sector are today (20 October) joining forces with the government to explore and establish human challenge trials in the UK to speed up the development of a COVID-19 vaccine.

Good news, it seems as if the UK are about to start studies into whether they can develop a vaccine.

 

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If approved by regulators and the ethics committee, the studies would start in January with results expected by May 2021.

 

Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/expert-partnership-to-explore-and-establish-human-challenge-studies-of-covid-19-in-the-uk

[rocket]

14 hours ago, pnutts said:

It is interesting that Pfizer is shipping by doses not vials. They changed from 5 to 6 doses per vial provided you use a special needle. Of course they charge by the dose so that is a 20% increase in profit for same amount of product.

The doses that Canada got none of this past week are now going to be calculated at 6 per vial even though not approved yet by Health Canada.

Canada has very few of those special needles.

Pfizer also has to have special freezers which I have noticed some are failing in the US.

Do I smell Greed !

[Doug]

On 1/28/2021 at 4:17 AM, New World Explorer said:

I agree with your comment about great need to respect personal choices in relation to medical treatment.

 

So to those who are "anti-vaccine"  I give big hug and say...may go well with you.  Phil 4:5

Most will completely agree.

 

I just thought it was interesting that some anti-vaxxers took it upon themselves to stage an opposition protest at Dodger stadium, temporarily halting the vaccination event there.

Brought back the memories of apostates outside after the District conventions.