Paris: Notre Dame Cathedral is on fire

[cricket246]

I hate that art gets destroyed (unless it's bad art and then alls well that ends well) but soon Jehovah will put it into the hearts of the nations to go after false religion and I'm sure that will include any museums or historic landmarks associated with them... I doubt we will be feeling any pity then... I feel bad for the people having to deal with the fire, but at the end of the day if materialism is all that's lost, then it was a good day because no one got hurt. ❤️ 

[Qapla]

Most of the lumber used in the construction of the framework for the roof/ceiling was cut down almost 850 years ago ... that lumber cannot be replaced  

Edited April 16, 2019 by Qapla

[Friends just call me Ross]

52 minutes ago, cricket246 said:

I hate that art gets destroyed (unless it's bad art and then alls well that ends well) but soon Jehovah will put it into the hearts of the nations to go after false religion and I'm sure that will include any museums or historic landmarks associated with them... I doubt we will be feeling any pity then... I feel bad for the people having to deal with the fire, but at the end of the day if materialism is all that's lost, then it was a good day because no one got hurt. ❤️ 

My hubby says that the news reported a firefighter was injured and is in critical condition.

I was hoping that was just a rumor.  The news also reported that people are worried the relic of the supposed 'piece of the crown of thorns'

may have been destroyed.

 

Oh brother. 

[Friends just call me Ross]

Found this short film most informative:

 

[tekmantwo]

5 hours ago, carlos said:

That's because nouns in French have gender, they are either masculine or feminine. And "cathedral" is feminine.

I heard one of the talking heads say that the building was named for Jesus'  mother Mary.  The only thing I have found was that it was named 'Cathedral of Our Lady of Paris'.... 

 

5 hours ago, Nirex said:

People are apparently literally crying in crowds about it according to the news... keep calling it "her".

So it would be apropos to say 'her' in reference to the building.

 

Some of the building techniques used in its construction are interesting to me, also, some other works of art that were housed there. It would be a loss if everything inside was lost but as mentioned above, the original painters or craftsmen can just do it over again after they are resurrected, if they want to... 

 

26 minutes ago, Qapla said:

Most of the lumber used in the construction of the framework for the roof/ceiling was cut down almost 850 years ago ... that lumber cannot be replaced  

True, but it does show how long a wood structure might last, if properly maintained.

[Buttrfly71]

Found this on CNN... thought the model gave you a good idea of what was burned.

 

 

[Hope]

I have a small bit of regret for the amazing craftsmanship and historical value of the loss of that church - I am a great lover of history and architecture. But... it was a church. Everything about it was an affront to our God. The items saved - Crown of Thorns? Nails from the cross? A tunic of a "saint"? I am sorry about the pipe organ and the massive stained glass rosette... There was not true worship going on in there; Catholic Church is so corrupt and was as much 800 years ago as now. The grief expressed seems to be more for the creation and credit it does its builders than any credit to the Creator. 

I'm sorry -- churches in general offend me on a deep level. I can appreciate what it means to the devout; at least as angry as I feel when our Kingdom Halls in Washington were burned or our HQ in Russia confiscated... but their form of godly devotion is false. They'll all be gone soon. Good riddance.  Rev 18:9, 10 is about how I feel. I know it's not "yet", but oh, well..

That's my 2 pennies about the whole thing.

[Cushi]

I was going to do a thread on this but you beat me to the punch. I was going to talk about how this is a small preview to the destruction of false religion. I saw video of people in the streets looking so sad as the church burned. It made me think about how people are going to be devestated when false religion is destroyed. If this breaks their heart they haven’t seen nothing yet. Wait until places like the Vatican, the mosque housing the Kaaba in Mecca, the dome of the rock in Jerusalem and possibly the Taj Mahal are destroyed...

[ChrisC]

Some thoughts:

I really hope the firefighter recovers.

If this saves a tourist from getting a crumbling gargoyle on their head then that is a good thing.

I wonder if the Tetragrammaton appears anywhere on the site, paintings etc.

I much prefer the Stanley Theater. No idols there.

https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/docid-702013117_1_VIDEO

Regarding the crown of thorns etc, Blackadder said that ‘holy relics’ usually come in boxes of twelve.

[Lee49]

5 hours ago, Allabord4Jah said:

Shucks, I thought Jehovah had put it into the hearts of the UN  members and there we go.   Oh well, am not worried about the precious art, cause who ever painted it, if its Jehovah's will, they will be back and they can do another painting but no virgin mary's or hippy looking Jesus' statues or portraits.  No tiny baby angels, or a mixture of devils and angels, popes, cardinals, and kinds and queens.  Not Allowed! 

also no demonic gargoyles 

[Old]

12 minutes ago, Lee49 said:

also no demonic gargoyles 

I like the gargoyles better than 4 inch PVC pipe, but maybe that is just me. 

[Cushi]

3 hours ago, Bek said:

Some of the world famous gargoyles that look like devils must have been damaged in the fire. I don't think it would be appropriate though to weep over places of false worship no matter how valuable they are to the world's cultural heritage. I cannot imagine ancient Israelites being sad over a fire-damaged temple of Moloch or other Canaanite gods.  

Thank you. I feel the same way. While it may be sad to Catholics and others who view the church as a architectural masterpiece and a piece of history, I don’t think Jehovah would be pleased if we are sad in our hearts to see a church, or any false religious building burned. Although I find the grief that this burning has caused sad, There’s no way I could ever be sentimental to any building dedicated to false worship. Period. 

[Hope]

While I understand that many of these old churches are more considered museums now - the Vatican and the like.  For me that's very like considering that the holidays are just fun for the kids or family - doesn't have religious significance so much anymore.  I am personally uncomfortable excusing what they were built for and I don't think I'd visit any on tours, despite the artwork therein. I felt crazy accidentally getting the Sacré-Cœur in photos I took when I visited Paris; I don't want memories of churches. 

 

Here in Portland there is a former church that is used as an entertainment venue now.  It's called "The Old Church"  https://www.theoldchurch.org/  I would have to ponder hard to go there, consider if people would be "stumbled", etc.  I know - that's just my own conscience and I don't have a problem with others going there.  It's uncomfy for me, though.  One of the many reasons I won't get into classical singing is that most of the recital venues are in churches here.  Not necessarily for a church service; it can be a purely secular event.  Churches tend to be inexpensive to rent, have lots of seating and amazing acoustics - ideal for such performances.  I can't do it though.

 

As a landmark, I sympathize with the loss and I REALLY hope no one will lose their life fighting the fire.  Not for much more than that, though.  It's simply too bad.

 

 

[Patinage]

French people are stunned by what happened at Notre Dame; this massive construction was part of Paris panorama. The building was achieved in 1345 or so after 200 years of works. Yes it’s a piece of art gone in just a few hours when you view it from the outside ; from an artistic point of view, of course it’s a major disaster. Still it’s a piece of false religion that has been destroyed. 

 

That’s where the danger, snare, resides for us as Jehovah’s people, we must fight against the feeling of weeping (they literally weep on this lost) on this destruction because it is “disguised” in art. I take it as a personal test: I need to feel emotionally detached from this, because this is just one destruction among a series that will soon strike this system.

 

What seems weird is that it happens on this particular week...

 

On a side note, they are commenting that since it’s part of Unesco patrimony, all nations may/must pay to rebuild it, since it must cost fortunes to do so ! 

 

“Notre Dame” means “Our Lady”, always referring to Mary. This is a very common name given to Catholic buildings in this country. Then, they add: “de” or “of”... some place. In this case “de Paris” meaning “of Paris”. I guess what they meant was to request  protection from Mary for that city or place generally speaking.

France is a very catholic country, it is called the Daughter of the Church... Everywhere you can see signs of this religion. Every small village has its own church building around which is built the village. Since they are old, ancient buildings, usually built during the Middle Ages, they are strong, massive buildings, and it’s impossible to miss them ! From a distance, they can be spotted since they are big and tall. 

So, when one of them is destroyed, this is a major blow that the institution is suffering....

[Katty]

I have mixed feelings about this. I know Notre Dame is a building that has been used in the advancement of false religion, but I can't help but feel a sense of awe at the magnitude and architectural genius that went into these old churches. I guess to be fair, the Pyramids were likely used in the advancement of their pagan religion, but we still often stand in awe of them. The Notre Dame cathedral was built at the height of the gothic period (no pun intended, but I'll take it) when architects were building grander and grander churches, some even so big they imploded on themselves. But when flying buttresses were developed, it was truly an architectural marvel, because of how brilliantly it helped counter the weight of the massive walls.

Because engineers were able to work out this problem, you could have towering buildings with massive windows.If it weren't for the association with false worship, I'd really love to walk into one of these cathedrals. Can you imagine how the sound must bounce off the walls?

It's really beautiful and part of me hopes that we can create such beautiful buildings in the new system, of course without all the false religious symbols, to be used in the advancement of true worship. It is a shame that such beauty has gone to something as ugly as Babylon.
 

Edited April 16, 2019 by Katty

[Doug]

8 hours ago, Thesauron said:

No matter religion, this fire risks destroying a great treasure trove of art and human history.

 

6 hours ago, carlos said:

The Notre Dame cathedral is a jewel of human history and it was a symbol of civilization 

One of the biggest museums in the world is being lost with thousands of wonderful artworks inside it. This is a sad day.

 

 

Thought provoking comments.

From our perspective, these are priceless antiquities.

However, looking ahead to the New World, would these treasures hold their equity as "symbols of civilization" ?  Will they be venerated as "great treasures" indefinitely ? Forever ?

If they survive the Great Tribulation, will they eventually be disposed of ?

 

 

[Tortuga]

Quasimodo is homeless now?

[Thesauron]

 
Thought provoking comments.
From our perspective, these are priceless antiquities.
However, looking ahead to the New World, would these treasures hold their equity as "symbols of civilization" ?  Will they be venerated as "great treasures" indefinitely ? Forever ?
If they survive the Great Tribulation, will they eventually be disposed of ?
 
 

We don’t know for how long they will be remembered, and it’s not up to us to decide. We do know that today they tell the story of humankind.

[Thesauron]

Thank you. I feel the same way. While it may be sad to Catholics and others who view the church as a architectural masterpiece and a piece of history, I don’t think Jehovah would be pleased if we are sad in our hearts to see a church, or any false religious building burned. Although I find the grief that this burning has caused sad, There’s no way I could ever be sentimental to any building dedicated to false worship. Period. 

Not dad because it’s a church, but sad because it is a part of human history that goes up in flames. When I walked into such building I used to touch the stone work to get a feel of the people who worked on it so many hundred years ago. It connects us to the past.

[Tortuga]

1 minute ago, Thesauron said:

Not dad because it’s a church, but sad because it is a part of human history that goes up in flames. When I walked into such building I used to touch the stone work to get a feel of the people who worked on it so many hundred years ago. It connects us to the past.

Isn't all of human history scheduled to go up in flames? Isn't that what we are looking forward to?

[Thesauron]

I have a small bit of regret for the amazing craftsmanship and historical value of the loss of that church - I am a great lover of history and architecture. But... it was a church. Everything about it was an affront to our God. The items saved - Crown of Thorns? Nails from the cross? A tunic of a "saint"? I am sorry about the pipe organ and the massive stained glass rosette... There was not true worship going on in there; Catholic Church is so corrupt and was as much 800 years ago as now. The grief expressed seems to be more for the creation and credit it does its builders than any credit to the Creator. 

I'm sorry -- churches in general offend me on a deep level. I can appreciate what it means to the devout; at least as angry as I feel when our Kingdom Halls in Washington were burned or our HQ in Russia confiscated... but their form of godly devotion is false. They'll all be gone soon. Good riddance.  Rev 18:9, 10 is about how I feel. I know it's not "yet", but oh, well..

That's my 2 pennies about the whole thing.

I felt equally upset when ISIS went around destroying things they felt didn’t belong to their religion. They showed their hatred and lack of knowledge and understanding with ropes and hammers and bombs.

[Thesauron]

Isn't all of human history scheduled to go up in flames? Isn't that what we are looking forward to?

No, people are, and this system of things. We don’t know for how long we will remember what humans were. Perhaps always. You see, buildings like these are like a collective memory of what we used to be like, where we came from. For the same reason, we preserve texts in libraries and museums.

[Tortuga]

1 minute ago, Thesauron said:

No, people are, and this system of things. We don’t know for how long we will remember what humans were. Perhaps always. You see, buildings like these are like a collective memory of what we used to be like, where we came from. For the same reason, we preserve texts in libraries and museums.

Then its interesting that the flood didn't preserve anything except the ark and what was in it..

[ChocoBro]

I felt equally upset when ISIS went around destroying things they felt didn’t belong to their religion. They showed their hatred and lack of knowledge and understanding with ropes and hammers and bombs.

The difference is ISIS proactively went and destroyed those relics out of bigotry. That's what made me mad. But I certainly didn't care about the loss of a bunch of Canaanite idols. Maybe I would if I believed that this system were to go on for a few hundred more years. But knowing that Jehovah will soon step in anyway and destroy a lot of this stuff himself I just shrug my shoulders at this loss of history. I certainly doubt that Jehovah views the loss of the Notre Dame cathedral or Temple of Baal as anything worth feeling sorry over. Even if he surely also doesn't appreciate the destruction of others property in his name either.

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[Thesauron]

Then its interesting that the flood didn't preserve anything except the ark and what was in it..

The truth is that we don’t know what human remains that can be traced to a time before the flood, simply because many scientists do not believe in a biblical flood. We know some human remains seem to be so old that they must be pre-flood.