The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[pnutts]

2 minutes ago, Dages said:

I've read about the fact that the body doesn't produce antibodies against it.

Or not enough to give protection.

At least we know that it is not alien DNA, aliens as from outer space that is. It has been in the news - and touted by you know who as true.

[tuntun]

The body has the ability to recognize germs or viruses and fight it once our immune system memorize it.

That's why diseases such as measles and smallpox which have destroyed the native indian's population (such as Aztec). But only brought a little death to Europeans.

Because Europeans have known this disease since 500 years earlier and have immunity against it.

[Bob]

51 minutes ago, Dages said:

I've read about the fact that the body doesn't produce antibodies against it.

Perhaps but I don’t know, however, I’ll take your word for it. 
 

Still a lot is being learned and it’s still relatively early in the pandemic. 

[GoldAussieGirl]

3 hours ago, Bob said:

I don’t think it’s correct to simply attribute the spread to people flaunting the rules.

 

Almost 1000 of our brothers and sisters died from COVID. Were they ignoring precautions and flaunting the rules?

 

No. This thing is doing what viruses do - and that’s spread. 

 

There are tens of millions world wide obeying the precautions. It’s still spreading though. 
 

Nothing will prevent this from spreading. It’s firmly seeded in humanity. Only a vaccine, a SARS-like killer mutation or herd immunity will cause this to settle down. 

This isn’t what hatcheck was saying. The incident she is talking about has reintroduced active cases to a state of Australia that had none and these teenagers visited all these places on their way back home including going to work while showing symptoms. They had  visited  covid hotspot Melbourne, attended an illegal party there and lied about it to get back into their home state. So yeah in this instance the blame lies squarely on them and they have potentially put an entire state of Australia at risk 

Edited July 30, 2020 by GoldAussieGirl
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[hatcheckgirl]

46 minutes ago, GoldAussieGirl said:

This isn’t what hatcheck was saying. The incident she is talking about has reintroduced active cases to a state of Australia that had none and these teenagers visited all these places on their way back home including going to work while showing symptoms. They had  visited  covid hotspot Melbourne, attended an illegal party there and lied about it to get back into their home state. So yeah in this instance the blame lies squarely on them and they have potentially put an entire state of Australia at risk 

@Bob I did link to the news story, so I was not just making a general statement.  Most of Australia has no community transmission, and hard borders in Western Australia means no travel unless extreme circumstances allow it. Quarantine in Queensland failed because these three girls deliberately lied to border staff, and have now endangered a whole state which previously had no community transmission.

 

Solution does not lie with man, since they can’t even do simple things like wear a mask, social distance, and report truthfully your movements - all to protect others.  Height of selfishness, which is what we expect at the end of the end of the last days.

 

They have been justly charged. These 3 girls also were charged in Victoria, the current hotspot state, for attending a party of 130 people.  It’s a sure thing they brought Coronavirus back to their state due to their irresponsible ways.  Shows just how callous they really are.

 

 

[Bob]

58 minutes ago, GoldAussieGirl said:

This isn’t what hatcheck was saying. The incident she is talking about has reintroduced active cases to a state of Australia that had none and these teenagers visited all these places on their way back home including going to work while showing symptoms. They had  visited  covid hotspot Melbourne, attended an illegal party there and lied about it to get back into their home state. So yeah in this instance the blame lies squarely on them and they have potentially put an entire state of Australia at risk 

Well, it’s been a theme - the increase of cases is due to people ignoring the rules. I even thought that was the case. 
 

Even so, adherence to the rules isn’t slowing the spread. I am starting to believe adhering to masks have changed people’s behavior. Feeling protected causes people to take risks they otherwise wouldn’t take. 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Bob

[pnutts]

26 minutes ago, Bob said:

Feeling protected causes people to take risks they otherwise wouldn’t take. 

Some flout the laws and deliberately wear masks improperly ( saw 2 employees at Home Depot with mask below the nose. ) or even wear masks that are absolutely useless such as paint ball mesh masks. Again it is deliberate.

Even politicians are deliberately flouting protocol - as some are now positive and blame others for it or even the wearing of masks making them sick.

It is politicking that is making them sick.

[Allabord4Jah]

4 hours ago, zoebarry said:

 

Matt 24:22. “In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short”.

The quote in Matt 24:22, Jesus said it plain and clear, if he doesn't step in, whether it's COVID-19, or some other disease, all the lawlessness, murders, every evil thing that will be unleashed before Armageddon, if Satan continues on and those following his evil ways, will wipe out every living thing on this planet.  Jehovah's, purpose will not be crushed.    

[EccentricM]

16 minutes ago, Allabord4Jah said:

The quote in Matt 24:22, Jesus said it plain and clear, if he doesn't step in, whether it's COVID-19, or some other disease, all the lawlessness, murders, every evil thing that will be unleashed before Armageddon, if Satan continues on and those following his evil ways, will wipe out every living thing on this planet.  Jehovah's, purpose will not be crushed.    

Very interesting prediction was made by a computer in the 70s in regards to pollution, resources and population, so far it has been spot on till this very moment in time, and that's just with those things alone, nevermind the worsening of society and amoral behaviour. So if the pattern continues, potentially 2050 would be the end of mankind, and if such is correct, it "must" be very close.

 

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by EccentricM

[JennyM]

23 minutes ago, Allabord4Jah said:

The quote in Matt 24:22, Jesus said it plain and clear, if he doesn't step in, whether it's COVID-19, or some other disease, all the lawlessness, murders, every evil thing that will be unleashed before Armageddon, if Satan continues on and those following his evil ways, will wipe out every living thing on this planet.  Jehovah's, purpose will not be crushed.    

yup.. The world has nuclear weapons that can blow up the world 50 times. 

[Bob]

4 hours ago, pnutts said:

Some flout the laws and deliberately wear masks improperly ( saw 2 employees at Home Depot with mask below the nose. ) or even wear masks that are absolutely useless such as paint ball mesh masks. Again it is deliberate.

Even politicians are deliberately flouting protocol - as some are now positive and blame others for it or even the wearing of masks making them sick.

It is politicking that is making them sick.

Never gonna get 100 percent compliance on anything.  
 

And it’s not really required to get 100 percent compliance. Just enough people, like 80 percent or more. 

[hatcheckgirl]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/clive-palmer-wa-border-legal-bid-backed-by-attorney-general/12511212
 

Interesting that even when something is working, politics and human greed and selfishness spoils it. 
 

Western Australia has a hard border with the rest of Australia not allowed to enter, and it has protected the state which has no community transmission. But a billionaire from Queensland has brought the state to court claiming it’s unconstitutional.   So soon the border may be open and we will see community transmission here too. 
 

So of course, this mans wealth and influence will spoil it for the community here. Typical, but unbelievable at the same time. 😩

[tuntun]

That computer must have done very complex calculations using Microsoft Excel

[BenJepthah]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-netherlands/dutch-government-will-not-advise-public-to-wear-masks-minister-idUSKCN24U2UJ
       The mask controversy continues.

[blacc]

Nations not knowing the way out.... 

[AH173]

16 minutes ago, BenJepthah said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-netherlands/dutch-government-will-not-advise-public-to-wear-masks-minister-idUSKCN24U2UJ
       The mask controversy continues.

OK. Let them prove it. 

 

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The decision was announced by Minister for Medical Care Tamara van Ark after a review by the country’s National Institute for Health (RIVM). The government will instead seek better adherence to social distancing rules after a surge in coronavirus cases in the country this week, Van Ark said at a press conference in The Hague.

“Because from a medical perspective there is no proven effectiveness of masks, the Cabinet has decided that there will be no national obligation for wearing non-medical masks” Van Ark said.

 

[Loopy]

 Well, the county (Alger) Ross and I live in now has 6 confirmed cases.

 

Iron county, which Ross is also interested in now has 17 cases.  
 

 https://www.radioresultsnetwork.com/2020/07/31/michigan-adds-734-new-cases-u-p-cases-increase-by-18/   
 

The website here says the U Pisup to 60 “probable” cases. 

[hatcheckgirl]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-01/weekend-reads-coronavirus-exposed-fragility-social-fabric/12512138

 

This opinion piece's headline says it all “Coronavirus has exposed the fragility of our social fabric, and the threads are falling apart”.

 

Isnt that what we’re seeing all around the world? From beaches packed with people, to shopping malls with wall-to-wall shoppers, all in defiance of what authorities are asking, pleading with us to do.

 

Victoria had a whopping 723 cases on one single day this week. The UK had 846, for the whole country which has three times the population. Victoria is in lockdown, but instead of empty streets, there are traffic jams. They are not following the lockdown restrictions and three weeks into a 6 week lockdown it hasn’t worked, and the deaths are mounting.

 

Not isolating after a test, some not isolating at all. Driving across town for a catch up, when we shouldn’t be leaving the home. One out of four infected who are supposed to be in quarantine are not home when authorities do their door check. One in four!!!

 

I pray for you my brothers and sisters in various hotspots around the world. I think of you often and you are dear to my heart. May Jehovah protect your hearts to have courage over the mental anguish of living in this insane world. I personally have my daughter living in the hotspot, and a dear elderly sister in an aged care home there has covid. We are going to feel the pain of losing our loved ones, as many are experiencing in other countries. But we have this lovely and timely assembly program to assure us of Jehovah’s love and to keep focused on the real life. Agape.

[tuntun]

Most people in Asia wear facial masks not only because of government regulations but also part of their culture.

Since most people who are infected with Covid don't feel any symptoms for several weeks. they can transmit the infection to others through droplets that fall to the surface when coughing or sneezing.

In the streets of almost every second person wears a mask and on public transit 8 in 10 if not more.  

All health and public facilites require that anyone who enters should wear a mask.  

Asian who don’t wear masks now being seen as dangers to the crowds.

It is no coincidence that the number of Covid infections in most Asian countries is much lower than in other parts of the world.

[Tortuga]

On 7/30/2020 at 12:15 PM, Bob said:

Nothing will prevent this from spreading. It’s firmly seeded in humanity. Only a vaccine, a SARS-like killer mutation or herd immunity will cause this to settle down. 

You may be right and there is nothing that will stop it from eventually affecting everyone. It may be like cancer, there isn't a cure but we still take reasonable precautions. It is important to stay positive, stay united, be encouraging and not develop a defeatist attitude about it. 

Edited August 1, 2020 by Mephibosheth

[Shawnster]

22 hours ago, Bob said:

Never gonna get 100 percent compliance on anything.  
 

And it’s not really required to get 100 percent compliance. Just enough people, like 80 percent or more. 

 

You are exactly right.  If we saw 80% compliance, then some of these harsher measures wouldn't be necessary.  Ohio just passed a law so that bars are to close at 10pm for the night because they were hot spots.  If only 80% of the people complied, we wouldn't be seeing such hot spots.   Ohio is one of the worst offenders when it comes voluntary mask wearing.  

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/17/upshot/coronavirus-face-mask-map.html

 

 

 

On 7/30/2020 at 3:15 PM, Bob said:

I don’t think it’s correct to simply attribute the spread to people flaunting the rules.

 

Almost 1000 of our brothers and sisters died from COVID. Were they ignoring precautions and flaunting the rules?

 

No. This thing is doing what viruses do - and that’s spread. 

 

There are tens of millions world wide obeying the precautions. It’s still spreading though. 
 

Nothing will prevent this from spreading. It’s firmly seeded in humanity. Only a vaccine, a SARS-like killer mutation or herd immunity will cause this to settle down. 

That's not really fair to use the deaths of our brothers and sisters to support a position that the governments are overreaching.  As you said above, and on other occasions, masks are not 100% effective.  Nothing is 100% effective.  Even birth control methods like condoms are not 100% effective.  That doesn't mean they should be ignored.  Less than 100% effective is not the same as 0% effective.  

 

Let's use your above statement about 80% compliance.  Let's even use that to say 80% effective.  Out of 8 million Jehovah's Witnesses, 1,000 people is much less than 1%.  Over 99% of Jehovah's Witnesses are still alive and safe from Covid.  Obviously the safety measures we have implemented are working, as seen with the lack of infections at Bethel facilities.  

 

 

27 minutes ago, Mephibosheth said:

You may be right and there is nothing that will stop it from eventually affecting everyone. It may be like cancer, there isn't a cure but we still take reasonable precautions. It is important to stay positive, stay united, be encouraging and not develop a defeatist attitude about it. 

This is an excellent illustration!  I think we could even expand it to include a lot of common diseases like heart disease, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetes and, yes, cancer.  We have no cure for any of these.  We have no vaccines.  While there is treatment for all of these, the first line defense is our individual habits and behaviors when it comes to our health.  We take the necessary precautions.  We know to limit our sweets and salts and fatty foods.  We know to get proper exercise and eat our fruits and vegetables.  We know there are steps we can take to reduce our risk of contracting one of these illnesses.  We may still get one of these illnesses, but that doesn't mean we give up and forsake taking practical preventative measures.

 

Bob, you are presenting an impression that these safety precautions are pointless or ineffective.  While you have repeatedly stated that you follow the advice form the Slave and have taken necessary precautions for yourself and your family, you are still presenting an image that the governments are wrong for taking the steps they are taking.  That is fine.  You have every right to feel as you do.  You are correct in that, ultimately, the governments do not know the way out.  It is not up to them to direct their steps.  That being the case, though, doesn't change the fact that Jehovah has placed the superior authorities in their position.  He tolerates their existence for now and expects all Christians to be obedient to these authorities.  Now, we know you are not advocating openly resisting the governments decisions and decrees and we appreciate your example of loyalty even when your personal feelings are in contrast to what the government direction is.  Thank you for your example.

 

Continued debates about the effectiveness of masks is pointless.  It is what it is.  Masks are compulsory in many places now, including Ohio.  Washing hands is common sense supported by scripture.  Social distancing is always effective in minimizing exposure.  That is what all these precautions are about.  They were never about completely stopping the spread of Covid.  They are about minimizing our risk and slowing the spread so that hospitals never become overloaded with patients.  

 

But, please, let's not use the deaths of anyone, let alone our brothers and sisters, to justify or rationalize the ineffectiveness of safety measures.  Let's let the dead rest in peace.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ludwika]

On 7/31/2020 at 11:35 AM, hatcheckgirl said:

@Bob I did link to the news story, so I was not just making a general statement.  Most of Australia has no community transmission, and hard borders in Western Australia means no travel unless extreme circumstances allow it. Quarantine in Queensland failed because these three girls deliberately lied to border staff, and have now endangered a whole state which previously had no community transmission.

 

Solution does not lie with man, since they can’t even do simple things like wear a mask, social distance, and report truthfully your movements - all to protect others.  Height of selfishness, which is what we expect at the end of the end of the last days.

 

They have been justly charged. These 3 girls also were charged in Victoria, the current hotspot state, for attending a party of 130 people.  It’s a sure thing they brought Coronavirus back to their state due to their irresponsible ways.  Shows just how callous they really are.

 

 

We've had people here in quarantine breaking out, cutting through fences with bolt cutters! It's such selfish behaviour, because it puts the whole country at risk. 

[Ludwika]

Fauci now suggests we wear goggles as additional protection, which basically, to me anyway, shows how little control we have over the spread of this thing.
 
https://www.foxnews.com/health/fauci-suggests-goggles-eye-shield-for-better-protection-against-coronavirus.amp

Next will realistically be hazmats suits, all
jokes aside. 
 
We as humans naturally want control over this. We don’t have it. We want to believe precautions like distancing and masks will control it. It doesn’t. 
 
So I’m not any longer of the opinion that all you have to do is obey the guidelines and this will stop the spread (and that’s not to say we should disobey them. We should obey them all).
 
I don’t believe there are any good answers. I just believe that each person should do whatever they have to do to protect themselves and others. 
 

There's a reason doctors are saying for maximum possible protection cover your eyes, this virus can target the eye. In fact some medical professionals in your own country have died through transmission in this way apparently, according to reports. So doctors here have said that even wearing glasses is better than nothing, and don't touch your eyes. The advice on wearing masks has also been changing, it now appears that not only does it help stop the spead with asymptomatic infection, but it also can prevent uninfected people actually catching covid 19 by up to 68%. If people can reduce their vulnerability to this awful virus, it's only common sense to follow the guidance. That doesn't mean, of course, you can do anything to be 100% safe, but it does mean that you can take every reasonable care.

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[JW-Ind]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-01/korea-arrests-leader-of-sect-at-center-of-early-virus-outbreak?srnd=premium-asia
 

South Korean authorities arrested the leader of a religious sect at the center of an early coronavirus outbreak in the country, alleging the church hindered government efforts to trace worshipers who may have been infected, Yonhap News reported.

[Dages]

Religious gatherings are a problem... they generate COVID clusters. That's how it got big in France in the beginning : a big protestant church meeting...

 

BtG will get what she deserves.