The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[pnutts]

In New Brunswick a doctor came back from Quebec and did not isolate for 2 weeks as required, but went back to work at LTC and a hospital.

So far out of the 150 plus he treated, six are confirmed. 

NB hadn't had any new cases since early May,   now.

Doctor has been suspended and RCMP are looking into case to see if criminal charges are warranted.

 

He knew better, at the very least he should lose all his hazard pay plus pay any damages for those he infected.

[Miss Bea]

12 hours ago, BenJepthah said:

There are no honest sources. But you can look at the graphs on the CDC site and make up your own mind.

The only honest source is Jehovah’s organization. Period. I do my best to concentrate on what I can do, not what I can’t do. 
A couple of times the brother giving a talk on our site, told us not to listen to the news too much. And, that I try to do. 

And, sometimes I see what ones here are saying, I’m wondering where they get their news. A concern. 
When an event is politicized, trust no one, and, this pandemic has been politicized. Of all the things. 

[Tbs77]

https://apple.news/AXSJsrh6HSHabIZPb0fjolg



BREAKING: Supreme Court, in rare late-night ruling, says California may enforce certain restrictions on religious gatherings

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. sided with the court’s liberal justices in response to an emergency petition brought by a church in California, which had argued the state’s pandemic-related restrictions violated constitutional protections for places of worship.

[Old]

22 minutes ago, Tbs77 said:

https://apple.news/AXSJsrh6HSHabIZPb0fjolg



BREAKING: Supreme Court, in rare late-night ruling, says California may enforce certain restrictions on religious gatherings

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. sided with the court’s liberal justices in response to an emergency petition brought by a church in California, which had argued the state’s pandemic-related restrictions violated constitutional protections for places of worship.

Not unusual.

Just before we abandoned the bookstudy arrangement, two state supreme courts decided that municipalities had the right to forbid scheduled weekly Bible meetings in residential neighborhoods. The principles involved in taking it to the state supreme Court were not JWs, but I believe we came in on the case as a 'friend of the court.' This is what  we did in the Jimmy Swaggart case involving specified contributions for litertature, as in his LP records at $35 a piece that he claimed as a religous contribution on his taxes. Swaggart lost and we quit asking for a specified contribution. A coincendence? perhaps.

[Thesauron]

The only honest source is Jehovah’s organization. Period. I do my best to concentrate on what I can do, not what I can’t do. 
A couple of times the brother giving a talk on our site, told us not to listen to the news too much. And, that I try to do. 
And, sometimes I see what ones here are saying, I’m wondering where they get their news. A concern. 
When an event is politicized, trust no one, and, this pandemic has been politicized. Of all the things. 

Period? No. Sometimes all news media outlets make mistakes, we do too, believe it or not. It does not mean those of us assigned to write for jw.org our other sites do not try to be as accurate as we possibly can. We should, however, limit the time we spend on anything so that we can focus on God’s Kingdom. Also, following the news too much, accurate or not, has a tendency to tire us out and make us unnecessarily stressed. Especially during this COVID-19 outbreak, many have found that they can read news updates all day long, but that it is beneficial to their health to limit their news updates to maybe once a day.

[GodlyDevotion]

Oh dear dear. I'm really tired of where the world is going. The world isn't healing; it's sick and dying!

 

It becomes hard to wake up every morning with a smile glued to your face. I'm always expecting a bad news and I'd pray and fight the urge not it (bad things) to happen to my loved ones. The future is really bleak. It's bleak everywhere 😔

[Todd komaniak]

You mean the future for this worldly system of things is bleak ours on the other hand is really really good and that keeps a smile on my face even though my dear wife is not in the truth I hope so much that she can be there with me sorry off topic

[GodlyDevotion]

1 hour ago, Todd komaniak said:

You mean the future for this worldly system of things is bleak ours on the other hand is really really good and that keeps a smile on my face even though my dear wife is not in the truth I hope so much that she can be there with me sorry off topic

Very true brother. Only the future hope and the amazing positive speed of Jehovah's organization keeps me going. The fear, however, is prevalent and sometimes affects me.

 

I stick with Jehovah and the brothers to maintain inner peace, just to make sure. 

[My little flower]

Breaking News: The Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision, rejected a California church’s challenge to pandemic restrictions on attendance at religious services.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/us/supreme-court-churches-coronavirus.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

[CHecker]

It's got to be about money. Has to be. Remember the video we saw about a preacher who was, on YouTube I think, ranting about making sure everyone was sending money? Remember his eyes? He looked desperate and crazed.

If they were so concerned about spiritual matters they'd be doing what we are and being concerned for health of the congregation.  

 

Also,  we haven't been in lockdown that long! Has it been 3 months yet? That's nothing, people in other countries endure 100 times worse than 2 or 3 months of controlled gathering. And controlled gatherings is a loose term for what I've seen since this happened. There were still SO many people out and about. 

 

Reading that article made me think that this could evolve into something significant. The anxiety level from religion is quite high.

 

Sorry, my time to be on the soapbox I guess.

[cme]

20 minutes ago, bagwell1987 said:

It's got to be about money. Has to be. Remember the video we saw about a preacher who was, on YouTube I think, ranting about making sure everyone was sending money? Remember his eyes? He looked desperate and crazed.

If they were so concerned about spiritual matters they'd be doing what we are and being concerned for health of the congregation.  

 

Also,  we haven't been in lockdown that long! Has it been 3 months yet? That's nothing, people in other countries endure 100 times worse than 2 or 3 months of controlled gathering. And controlled gatherings is a loose term for what I've seen since this happened. There were still SO many people out and about. 

 

Reading that article made me think that this could evolve into something significant. The anxiety level from religion is quite high.

 

Sorry, my time to be on the soapbox I guess.

It will be 3 months in the 2nd week of June.

[Shawnster]

6 hours ago, My little flower said:

Breaking News: The Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision, rejected a California church’s challenge to pandemic restrictions on attendance at religious services.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/us/supreme-court-churches-coronavirus.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Interesting how the different states have implemented different restrictions.

 

Here in Ohio religious meetings have been exempt from the stay at home orders.  

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[pnutts]

9 hours ago, bagwell1987 said:

Sorry, my time to be on the soapbox I guess

Is that where all the soap is? You've standing on a box of it all this time! 😝

[ChocoBro]

German media's favorite "virologist" Christian Drosten, in a recent interview, said that quarantine restrictions could be reduced from two weeks to about one week because, as it turns out, the virus "incubation time and the time within which one is contagious isn't as dramatic as initially expexted." 

 

Let that sink in for a moment and ponder upon the implications of such a statement. 

 

The same "scientists" are constantly changing their statements around, sometimes back and forth, to create a steady sway of fear and relief. And yet nobody questions their integrity or competence, and nobody is willing to listen to the voices of dissent in the scientific community. Drosten, by the way, lead the charge during the 2009 H1N1 swine-flu panic, which caused the German government to waste hundreds of millions on a vaccine that was never administered.

 

This isn't about saving people's lives, this is about achieving control.

[Mykyl]

There is a saying. One swallow doesn't make a summer. Same with a scientist and his/her comments. 

In the UK 7 days is the quarantine length if suspected or until any fever has gone. For family of the quarantined person they have to wait 14 days as they could be contaminated anytime during that first week. 

So thats nothing to do with control. Everything to do with feeling their way in the dark with a new problem and trying their best with what they have.

 

However I agree that the data is only as good as the person doing the interpretation. Again in the UK each country (Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales) are all following scientific advice that's different in many cases.

Here in Scotland I can have two families of up to eight people in total in my backyard with social distancing in effect.

In England its 6 people in total from any number of families from Monday if I remember right. Different in other parts of the UK.

All because of the local scientific advice.

 

So yes its confusing but I don't agree on the control theory or anything like that.

Just scientists scrabbling in the dark for now.

[ChocoBro]

1 hour ago, Mykyl said:

 

 

So yes its confusing but I don't agree on the control theory or anything like that.

 

It's not a theory.

 

Basic human rights, guaranteed by democratic constitutions, are being suspended, from freedom of thought and expression, freedom of congregation, freedom of movement, freedom of religion (yes, holding services is a part of that whether you're scared of Corona or not)... 

 

Data protection laws are void at this point, restaurants and hairdressers are compelled to collect data on customers despite this being ILLEGAL by law

 

They are socially conditioning us to distrust cash, to install tracking apps on our phones, people are reporting on their neighbors that a lot of former residents of the German "Democratic" Republic are complaining that these are precisely the kind of things that they were desperate to flee from in the 80ies

 

The Federal Medical Association is threatening doctors who are putting out dissenting ideas with consequences "when this thing is over". Stifling dissent in a scientific discussion with such implications on global security and even the health of inviduals (the collateral damage from lockdown is far worse than Corona) is all about control.

 

Ask yourself, if this is about "scientists scrabbling in the dark", why is there such systematic oppression of an open discussion? And I'm not talking about muh conspiracy theorists. I'm talking about medical professionals with dissenting opinions. Some of them are renowned virologists that still advise the W.H.O. that the media is calling "self-proclaimed experts" while calling the mainstream virologists, the ones with the opinion we all should have "star-virologists" 

 

Sorry, if you can't see the control grid tightening around everybody's necks, it is so obvious. 

 

Believe me, I come from Germany, we studied this stuff at school, intensely. Germany has had two similar systems as what we are seeing now, the Nazi era and the Socialist East Germany... We also learnt how Hitler came to power, he used paranoid and irrational fear of world jewry and shaky "empowerment laws" that were to be employed in the "state of emergency", very similar to what we are seeing now. So yes, this is all about control. 

 

By the way, I recommend a really good channel for those that are interested in more than the regurgitated media narrative on youtube, it's called "UnHerd" and the guy, who acts like a real journalist for once, interviews all sorts of medical professionals and experts on his channel. 

In any case, I'm going out to finally visit some beloved brothers for a barbecue today, not a shred of angst about contracting Corona. Statistically, less than one in ten thousand people in my vicinity have it.... We're far more likely to die in a car crash on the way there than even contracting Corona, and even if we did, our chance of death would be another one or two in a thousand...  I'm not going to succumb to the fear. I'm far more scared of my soul dying in this atmosphere of fear and disdain than getting Covid19

[Mykyl]

Sorry. I don't see its anything to do with control as you put it at all. Other than control to keep folks generally as safe as possible. Limitations must be put in place. That's just obvious.

 

Of course they want us not to use cash. It spreads disease. Contact can spread this disease. That is something they do know. That is clear.

 

Yes they are going to jump on those who disagree with the current choices as that doesn't help keep folks safe.

 

There cannot be two drivers. Someone must make the final decisions. Right or wrong. Just like a marriage. 

 

I still say its a scrabbling in the dark. Each government has folks giving advice. That scientific advice may be different based on who interprets that data.

 

Recently you had a 1 in 40 chance of catching corona hence lockdown. Today its believed to be 1 in 1000 hence the gradual release. This is in the UK.

 

The control is common sense to keep folks as safe as possible based on the current advice based on limited data.

Nothing more.

Edited May 31, 2020 by Mykyl

[Mykyl]

I just wanted to say that of course I can see where your coming from. I just don't think this is that kind of control that you are understandably wary off.

[ChocoBro]

9 hours ago, Mykyl said:

Of course they want us not to use cash. It spreads disease. Contact can spread this disease. That is something they do know. That is clear.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-we-did-not-say-that-cash-was-transmitting-coronavirus-2020-03-06

 

https://www.livescience.com/cdc-coronavirus-surfaces-update.html

 

Seems like it's not so clear after all. You see, they found traces of Corona on all sorts of things. But a dead virus shell can be traced on surfaces, when the virus is no longer viable to attack the host. So, the truth is, they don't have a clue how long a viable Covid19 virus will remain on surfaces, and they say non-porous surfaces are more dangerous than porous surfaces.

 

9 hours ago, Mykyl said:

Yes they are going to jump on those who disagree with the current choices as that doesn't help keep folks safe.

 

With that logic, why don't they keep us at home during flu outbreaks "to keep folks safe"? Because a consensus was met that the deaths and suffering caused by the flu do not weigh as heavily as would keeping people locked up at home. That is why there are dissenting voices claiming this is overblown. 

 

It is no longer about "keeping people safe", it is about saving their faces in my opinion.

 

9 hours ago, Mykyl said:

There cannot be two drivers. Someone must make the final decisions. Right or wrong. Just like a marriage. 

I don't know how your marriage works, but in my marriage, we talk things out before I make a choice. Sometimes I even leave the choice to my wife in mundane matters. Politics is not a marriage. Politics is a complex system, if you have someone who's always right, that's called a dictatorship. Democracies tend to work using debates and discussion based that lead up to decisions made in a democratic voting process. There is no "driver" in a democracy, and if there is, it is supposed to be the people and not a technocracy of selected scientists. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with an end-times, pre-apocalyptic global dicatorship, I always knew it was coming. But let's call it what it is, shall we?

 

 

 

 

[Lewis]

Coronavirus may be a blood vessel disease which would explain a lot of the symptoms that would be in common with a blood vessel disease which is an impairment in blood vessel circulation. It is said that 40% of deaths from Covid-19 are related to cardiovascular complications.

You can read about it here. https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2

 

A one-of-a-kind respiratory virus

SARS-CoV-2 is thought to enter the body through ACE2 receptors present on the surface of cells that line the respiratory tract in the nose and throat. Once in the lungs, the virus appears to move from the alveoli, the air sacs in the lung, into the blood vessels, which are also rich in ACE2 receptors.

“[The virus] enters the lung, it destroys the lung tissue, and people start coughing. The destruction of the lung tissue breaks open some blood vessels,” Mehra explains. “Then it starts to infect endothelial cell after endothelial cell, creates a local immune response, and inflames the endothelium.”

A respiratory virus infecting blood cells and circulating through the body is virtually unheard of. Influenza viruses like H1N1 are not known to do this, and the original SARS virus, a sister coronavirus to the current infection, did not spread past the lung. Other types of viruses, such as Ebola or Dengue, can damage endothelial cells, but they are very different from viruses that typically infect the lungs.

Benhur Lee, MD, a professor of microbiology at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, says the difference between SARS and SARS-CoV-2 likely stems from an extra protein each of the viruses requires to activate and spread. Although both viruses dock onto cells through ACE2 receptors, another protein is needed to crack open the virus so its genetic material can get into the infected cell. The additional protein the original SARS virus requires is only present in lung tissue, but the protein for SARS-CoV-2 to activate is present in all cells, especially endothelial cells.

“In SARS1, the protein that’s required to cleave it is likely present only in the lung environment, so that’s where it can replicate. To my knowledge, it doesn’t really go systemic,” Lee says. “[SARS-CoV-2] is cleaved by a protein called furin, and that’s a big danger because furin is present in all our cells, it’s ubiquitous.”

Edited May 31, 2020 by Lewis

[Mykyl]

2 hours ago, ChocoBro said:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-we-did-not-say-that-cash-was-transmitting-coronavirus-2020-03-06

 

https://www.livescience.com/cdc-coronavirus-surfaces-update.html

 

Seems like it's not so clear after all. You see, they found traces of Corona on all sorts of things. But a dead virus shell can be traced on surfaces, when the virus is no longer viable to attack the host. So, the truth is, they don't have a clue how long a viable Covid19 virus will remain on surfaces, and they say non-porous surfaces are more dangerous than porous surfaces.

 

 

With that logic, why don't they keep us at home during flu outbreaks "to keep folks safe"? Because a consensus was met that the deaths and suffering caused by the flu do not weigh as heavily as would keeping people locked up at home. That is why there are dissenting voices claiming this is overblown. 

 

It is no longer about "keeping people safe", it is about saving their faces in my opinion.

 

I don't know how your marriage works, but in my marriage, we talk things out before I make a choice. Sometimes I even leave the choice to my wife in mundane matters. Politics is not a marriage. Politics is a complex system, if you have someone who's always right, that's called a dictatorship. Democracies tend to work using debates and discussion based that lead up to decisions made in a democratic voting process. There is no "driver" in a democracy, and if there is, it is supposed to be the people and not a technocracy of selected scientists. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with an end-times, pre-apocalyptic global dicatorship, I always knew it was coming. But let's call it what it is, shall we?

 

 

 

 

Regarding the marriage part.  I am assuming the language is getting in the way so won't take offense at what your implying.

You are clearly not understanding what im saying.

At what point did I say I had to make the final decision in my marriage? I didn't. I said someone has to make that final decision. That's just common sense. Its also mentioned in our literature regarding marriage.

All governments have someone who ultimately makes a decision based on what has been discussed.

If the prime minister has two advisors that have two differing opinions then the prime minister etc make a decision to choose one way or the other. He can't follow both. He makes the final decision.

 

Contact spreads this disease. Handing cash to someone when you are infected can infect the other person. That's just plain facts. The virus can 'live' for a period of time on surfaces. If your directly handing it over, Which is how cash is spent in many cases, then you can pass the virus on.

 

I'm not going to agree with you on any of your their out to control us theory's. That's just the way it is. They are not out to control us in the way you suggest. There is no conspiracy. 

 

A friend of our coordinator is a nurse in one of the hospitals in Italy. They had around 10,000 deaths of folks who lived within 15 miles of the hospital. He also caught it and was extremely ill with it. Imagine if they had not started to control the people movements etc how bad it could have been?

I mentioned here on these forums my wife had it. (She is half German by the way. Her family come from somewhere near Iserlohn. My mother in law doesn't like me either. 😉 Nothing I can do about that. She hates witnesses with a passion. )

Corona is not anything to be made light of. That just gets me mad but that might be cabin fever.

I personally find the suggestion its not that bad and that they are just out to control us is potentially dangerous. Perhaps that's just me.

Your evidently of a different opinion. Thats fine.

 

[Todd komaniak]

It's definitely spread by contact the Post Office I work at a wife of a clerk caught it gave it to her husband he comes to work clerks touch almost everything to the Keys we use to open up mail boxes to the scanners we used to scan packages and the packages that they put in our buggies for us to deliver 2 of the 50 carriers that are in our office caught it after those two were quarantine at home they made quick decisions about disinfecting everything and so that's why I think the numbers were kept down otherwise if someone wasn't feeling well whether they had to or not they just simply stayed home

Edited June 1, 2020 by Todd komaniak

[pnutts]

On 5/29/2020 at 9:13 PM, pnutts said:

NB hadn't had any new cases since early May,   now.

Up to 12 from none a few days ago all from 1 stupid doctor. More expected in New Brunswick.

[hatcheckgirl]

Differences between pre-covid ARDS and covid19 complications:

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/covid-19-ards-clinical-features-and-differences-usual-pre-covid-ards

 

Severe coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) represents viral pneumonia from SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2) infection leading to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). 

 

COVID-19 ARDS appears to have worse outcomes than ARDS from other causes. The ICU and hospital mortality from typical ARDS are 35.3% (95% CI, 33.3%-37.2%) and 40.0% (95% CI, 38.1%-42.1%), respectively [3].

 

For COVID-19 ARDS mortality ranged between 26% to 61.5% if ever admitted into a critical care setting, and in patients who received mechanical ventilation, the mortality can range between 65.7% to 94%. Risk factors for poor outcomes include older age, presence of co-morbidities such as hypertension, cardiovascular disease, and diabetes mellitus, lower lymphocyte counts, kidney injury and raised D-dimer. Death from COVID-19 ARDS is due to respiratory failure (53%), respiratory failure combined with cardiac failure (33%), myocardial damage and circulatory failure (7%), or death from an unknown cause. (End of quote)

 

So, is this really just another flu? Obviously much more needs to be learned but well researched medical and scientific publications say consistently this is something very different from viral pneumonia we normally get. And it is something that can be fatal, or leave survivors with severe ongoing medical conditions. As Lewis posted above, it seems to also attack the vascular system, so we are seeing strokes in younger people etc. I can’t see why anyone would not want to take this disease seriously, and defy the only way of control (not of people and their rights), but control the spread of this disease. Historically, isolation/quarantine and scrupulous hygiene were the only ways to stop plagues spreading.

 

In the end, keep safe my brothers and sisters. This disease is part of the rottenness this system produces. We are very thankful Jehovah will undo all this suffering soon.