The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[Friends just call me Ross]

50 minutes ago, coolbrz731 said:

Just looking at the numbers, for the vaccinated, it shows that 39,658 were hospitalized out of a total population of ~2,640,000.

Now for the unvaccinated which is 1% of the population, you have 17,817 hospitalized out of a population of ~ 26,700.  

 

When you look at it from that perspective....

Plus, if you are in a car accident and are admitted to the hospital with a broken leg, and they happen to give you a Covid test while you are there, and it shows positive, even though you are asymptomatic because you are fully vaccinated and boosted, you would be counted as someone in the hospital with Covid...even though having Covid is not the reason for you being in the hospital.

 

This happens all the time.  

[DarinS]

On 4/11/2022 at 7:52 PM, Dove said:

If unvaccinated people account for 31% of admissions, does that mean the other 69% admissions are vaccinated? And what does it mean that they are 'over-represented'?

Sometimes I have a difficult time understanding all the statistics..

I have worked for the hospital system for years - they love statistics

and they usually refer to total admissions vs a specific scenario

 

so I read this differently……. 31% of HOSPITAL TOTAL ADMISSIONS are for COVID Unvaccinated patients(Covid related)

 

the other 69% are non-Covid admissions - heart - lung - cancer - MotorVehicle accidents - etc

 

for example 

100 people admitted

32 had flu symptoms 

(of those — 31 were not vaccinated….1 was vaccinated)

 

The point was showing the drastic disparity and referencing how many unvaccinated are still have serious health issues

 

(and this was less than they expected) —- so they expected more issues from the unvaccinated

 

 

 

 

[vern]

At my job the one that is sick is triple shotted.

[Luisabola]

15 minutes ago, vern said:

At my job the one that is sick is triple shotted.

That’s not a surprise as those that are vaccinated can still get the virus, and can still die from the virus, it just lessens the chance of severe illness or death. It doesn’t remove the chance completely. 

Plus, everyone reacts very differently to the disease. For example, I am triple vaccinated, got covid a couple weeks ago and had hardly a symptom. 
 

However, my mum who is triple vaccinated got covid 3-4 weeks ago and was/is still very poorly. I dread to think how she would have been had she had not had the vaccinations, possibly hospitalised, maybe even fatal. 
 

If I had not been vaccinated, perhaps I would have been worse too. Or maybe I would have still had it very mildly- there’s no way of knowing. But I would not like to take that chance, especially when the vaccine caused me no harm whatsoever. 

[Friends just call me Ross]

The Covid situation in the United States:

 

(Interesting Shanghai update at the end of the video)

[coolbrz731]

9 hours ago, Luisabola said:

That’s not a surprise as those that are vaccinated can still get the virus, and can still die from the virus, it just lessens the chance of severe illness or death. It doesn’t remove the chance completely. 

Plus, everyone reacts very differently to the disease. For example, I am triple vaccinated, got covid a couple weeks ago and had hardly a symptom. 
 

However, my mum who is triple vaccinated got covid 3-4 weeks ago and was/is still very poorly. I dread to think how she would have been had she had not had the vaccinations, possibly hospitalised, maybe even fatal. 
 

If I had not been vaccinated, perhaps I would have been worse too. Or maybe I would have still had it very mildly- there’s no way of knowing. But I would not like to take that chance, especially when the vaccine caused me no harm whatsoever. 

You're right.  The shots act more like the flu shot.  People also thought the flu shot kept you from getting the flu.  It reduced the chances of you getting he flu and made the flu symptoms milder if you caught it.  

 

It does seem like a toss up when it comes to how severe the symptoms will be.  My wife caught covid.  She had burning sinuses, otherwise she would have dismissed it as an allergy attack from the changing weather.  My son also caught covid.  My wife has asthma, hormone issues, and physical problems from ptsd, but she had symptoms for one day.  She's triple vacced.  My son, who's in perfect health and is double vacced, was miserable for 4 days.  And me, I have diabetes and high blood pressure, and I tested negative two times over 3 days.  So yes, it is a crap shoot when it comes to severity of symptoms, but the shots do keep you out of the hospital.  Ironically, the only breathing issues she had is when she caught a cold a few days after recovering from covid.  So I told her she has coldvid.  She rolled her eyes at me and told me I was speshul.  😂  

[Friends just call me Ross]

COVID-19: Omicron BA.4 and BA.5 variants,

not more severe or transmissible, so far

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/04/1116182

 

Quote

“At present there are a number of Omicron sub-lineages we’re following closely, including BA.2, BA.4 and BA.5 and another recombinant detected, made up of BA.1 and BA.2”, he said.

The latest sub-lineages BA.4 and BA.5 have been reported in a number of countries, including South Africa and some European nations, WHO lead epidemiologist Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove informed.

“There are less than 200 sequences available so far and we expect this to change…We are tracking (the virus) very closely to see if there is any uptick in case detection, but (so far) we haven’t seen any change in epidemiology or severity”, she highlighted.

 

[hatcheckgirl]

Um, here's another graph (I think you can see I sorta like them).

 

This one is the current situation in the state of Victoria Australia, where Melbourne is the capital.  It shows the last three waves: delta, then Omicron, then BA1 with some BA2 in the mix.

 

It shows hospitalisation, icu and ventilator use.  You can see how much worse Delta was though the number of those hospitalised were much less than Omicron wave. We can see the latest wave is just really mopping up those not hit by the very transmissible Omicron wave. It’s still very transmissible, but by this time higher booster vaccinations have kicked in. So, everything is milder - hospitalisation and ICU, with very little ventilator use.

 

 

So what does that tell us? Yes, the virus has thankfully mutated to one not as deadly, but also the effect restrictions and vaccinations have had, particularly the booster. Mandates for vaccinations are still current in all states - you are severely restricted in where you can go without vaccination, and you have to show your vaccination status in restaurants, cafes and events etc.

 

But now, something interesting has happened. 

“Professor Blakely says the justification for the mandate has now passed.

"It is no longer in my view proportionate to not let unvaccinated people go to the restaurant, to keep unvaccinated people out of … jobs like teachers," he says. "I would still be keeping mandates on people working in aged care having to be up to date with vaccines."

 

Professor Blakely says that's because while vaccines stop people getting seriously ill, "they don't necessarily reduce infection hugely".

"So the risk of somebody out there who is circulating in the community, who's unvaccinated, there's not a huge difference from somebody who's vaccinated," he says.“

 

The article still recommends boosters in some form.

“Professor Blakely notes that even if you've been infected, keeping up to date with vaccines helps protect you from reinfection in the future, and makes the community more resilient "to whatever COVID throws at us next".

 

And of interest is the continuing use of good quality masks, and also 

“stockpiling 10 to 20 N95, KN95 masks per Australian," he says.

"So that if a bad variant comes our way we can quickly get mass masking happening with higher-quality masks, so we don't need to go into a lockdown, if a bad variant arrives."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-15/victoria-covid-omicron-cases-vaccine-booster-close-contact/100991918
 

*Professor Blakey is an epidemiologist and public health medicine specialist, is a professor at the University of Melbourne.

[runner92]

On 4/11/2022 at 7:52 PM, Dove said:

If unvaccinated people account for 31% of admissions, does that mean the other 69% admissions are vaccinated? And what does it mean that they are 'over-represented'?

Sometimes I have a difficult time understanding all the statistics..

 

 

In the long run, it doesn't make sense. I'm sorry, but if the claim is taking the shot will keep you out of the hospital, then the percentage of vaccinated people shouldn't be higher than unvaccinated, regardless of what the supposed over-represented number is. It doesn't add up, but the media and officials are trying to spin it. 

[rocket]

On 4/11/2022 at 4:52 PM, Dove said:

If unvaccinated people account for 31% of admissions, does that mean the other 69% admissions are vaccinated? And what does it mean that they are 'over-represented'?

Sometimes I have a difficult time understanding all the statistics..

No the "other 69% is the other admissions.  After all the hospital admissions include, cancer, heart issues, pneumonia, flu, accidents, elective surgery, etc.  Plus a vaccinated person is not immune to getting the virus only less severe and one has to keep up with boosters to keep protected.  For example a person with 2 jabs by October of last year but no boosters, I have read that there protection from severe symptoms and hospitalization is down to 70%. I read that the second booster wanes within 10 weeks. So another booster will likely be available this coming Fall. In a large number of the elderly (over 65) the immune response is not as responsive as a younger person.

[dove]

20 minutes ago, rocket said:

 In a large number of the elderly (over 65) the immune response is not as responsive as a younger person.

I've read that, especially over the age of 80

[dove]

32 minutes ago, Dove said:

I've read that, especially over the age of 80

For the vaccines to work for them is what I read

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, runner92 said:

 

 

In the long run, it doesn't make sense. I'm sorry, but if the claim is taking the shot will keep you out of the hospital, then the percentage of vaccinated people shouldn't be higher than unvaccinated, regardless of what the supposed over-represented number is. It doesn't add up, but the media and officials are trying to spin it. 

Um no. That's not how percentage works. 

 

Let's substitute hospital with grocery store.  If 1% of the population is unvaccinated, and 99% is vaccinated, then that ratio should be consistent in every location in the community.  1% of the people in the grocery store should be unvaccinated, 99% vaccinated, etc...  The ratio should stay the same. 

 

Now, if the ratios are off, the question is why. If 25% of people in the grocery store are unvaccinated, but only 1% of the total population is unvaccinated, then why is that? What is driving a disproportionate amount of unvaccinated to the grocery? Are they all incredibly hungry? Are they more hungry than the vaccinated? 

 

So that's what is going on with these hospital cases.  A disproportionate amount of unvaccinated people are at the hospital. Why is that? What is driving unvaccinated people to the hospital more than vaccinated? 

 

Plus, something that appear to be disregarded here, is we are talking about total hospital admissions.  So, we are talking about more than just covid cases.  We are talking about pregnancy, gunshot victims, cardiac patients, appendicitis, as well as covid. Now, it's not like the unvaccinated are delivering more babies, getting shot, or having their appendix removed more often than vaccinated.  

 

So, what accounts for the disproportionate amount of unvaccinated people in the hospital?  Why is there a greater percentage of unvaccinated people in the hospital than in the community as a whole? 

[Hugh O'D]

29 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Let's substitute hospital with grocery store. 

I love this illustration 😊

 

 On other news my son, 14, got his booster today. So far he appears fine.

[runner92]

57 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Um no. That's not how percentage works. 

 

Let's substitute hospital with grocery store.  If 1% of the population is unvaccinated, and 99% is vaccinated, then that ratio should be consistent in every location in the community.  1% of the people in the grocery store should be unvaccinated, 99% vaccinated, etc...  The ratio should stay the same. 

 

Now, if the ratios are off, the question is why. If 25% of people in the grocery store are unvaccinated, but only 1% of the total population is unvaccinated, then why is that? What is driving a disproportionate amount of unvaccinated to the grocery? Are they all incredibly hungry? Are they more hungry than the vaccinated? 

 

So that's what is going on with these hospital cases.  A disproportionate amount of unvaccinated people are at the hospital. Why is that? What is driving unvaccinated people to the hospital more than vaccinated? 

 

Plus, something that appear to be disregarded here, is we are talking about total hospital admissions.  So, we are talking about more than just covid cases.  We are talking about pregnancy, gunshot victims, cardiac patients, appendicitis, as well as covid. Now, it's not like the unvaccinated are delivering more babies, getting shot, or having their appendix removed more often than vaccinated.  

 

So, what accounts for the disproportionate amount of unvaccinated people in the hospital?  Why is there a greater percentage of unvaccinated people in the hospital than in the community as a whole? 

 

NVM. 

Edited April 15, 2022 by runner92

[hatcheckgirl]

On 4/12/2022 at 1:33 PM, hatcheckgirl said:

So of all the cases of a population, if you are vaccinated you are less likely to need hospitalisation. 
 

Cases vs population. I hope that’s clearer. 

So, just to clear up any confusion with the ratios of unvaccinated and vaccinated:

 

"The rate of hospitalisation and ICU admission (per million) among the unvaccinated population is calculated as the number of unvaccinated COVID-19 cases in hospital against the estimated total number of the unvaccinated population. The rate of hospitalisation and ICU admission (per million) among the vaccinated population is calculated as the number of COVID-19 cases in hospital who have received two or more vaccine doses, against the estimated total number of the population with two or more doses. Rolling seven-day average was applied. Rates were age-standardised to NSW 2021 population estimates."

COVID-19 cases, variants, vaccines, hospitalisations and deaths-10 February 2022

 

And you can clearly see it in the numbers in RED:

 

This is obviously historical data now, but the exact same pattern, if you will, is what I was referring to in the figures I posted about Western Australia this past week.  And it shows that you are "more than five times more likely to be hospitalised for COVID-19 and nearly 8 times more likely to be in ICU than those who are double- or triple-vaccinated. Before the first cases of the Omicron variant were detected in Australia on November 27, 2021, unvaccinated people were 25 times more likely to be hospitalised for COVID-19."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/coronavirus-cases-data-reveals-how-covid-19-spreads-in-australia/12060704

 

This website represents the hospitalisations and cases dynamically in Australia.  This is the how we know vaccinations have had quite a good effect on saving lives.  No one can really deny this, and it is not the truth to say that these figures are being manipulated by the media or government.  It is time to move on beyond that type of thinking, really.

 

Whatever happens in the future, we still keep praying for God's Kingdom to come, and our focus should be on that.  Any discussions about the veracity of statistics on vaccinations is really holding on to unnecessary insecurities and may limit us in enjoying the journey forward with inperson meetings now possible again.  And if we are sent in the field soon, we don't want to have this fear hanging over our heads.

 

Just follow the lead of the appointed ones and show humility.  Me included.  I know the fears are real, but now it's the time to really show trust.  And I promise, no more graphs and stats from me.

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

NY Times
India and the W.H.O. clash over Covid’s death toll
The World Health Organization has calculated that 15 million people died from the coronavirus pandemic by the end of 2021, more than double earlier estimates.
India disputes the W.H.O.’s evaluation that at least four million people there died from Covid — the world’s highest tally — and stands by its own count of about 520,000. The delay has created turmoil in the staid world of health statistics. Many experts believe that the W.H.O.’s data is essential for understanding how the pandemic has played out and what steps could mitigate a similar crisis in the future.

Official death tolls in other countries, such as China and Russia, have also come under question. The W.H.O. has reportedly found excess mortality of more than one million Russians during the pandemic, far more than the government’s estimate of 300,000. But while the Kremlin says it did not undercount, the government has made no effort to stall the release of the data.

https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oakv2?campaign_id=7&emc=edit_mbae_20220418&instance_id=58747&nl=morning-briefing%3A-asia-pacific-edition&productCode=MBAE&regi_id=83729275&segment_id=89494&te=1&uri=nyt%3A%2F%2Fnewsletter%2F817202e2-5cae-560f-b716-5e11784a6904&user_id=1e518bbbdae79eaae8caa3f078cbb8f2
[I attach the Worldometer for reference] 
Old (Downunder) Tone
 

Edited April 17, 2022 by ➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone

[Hugh O'D]

On 4/16/2022 at 5:16 AM, hatcheckgirl said:

And I promise, no more graphs and stats from me.

I often find graphs and stats easier to visualize that plain text so I won't be holding you to that. 

[Dustparticle]

32 minutes ago, ➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone said:

NY Times
India and the W.H.O. clash over Covid’s death toll
The World Health Organization has calculated that 15 million people died from the coronavirus pandemic by the end of 2021, more than double earlier estimates.
India disputes the W.H.O.’s evaluation that at least four million people there died from Covid — the world’s highest tally — and stands by its own count of about 520,000. The delay has created turmoil in the staid world of health statistics. Many experts believe that the W.H.O.’s data is essential for understanding how the pandemic has played out and what steps could mitigate a similar crisis in the future.

Official death tolls in other countries, such as China and Russia, have also come under question. The W.H.O. has reportedly found excess mortality of more than one million Russians during the pandemic, far more than the government’s estimate of 300,000. But while the Kremlin says it did not undercount, the government has made no effort to stall the release of the data.

https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oakv2?campaign_id=7&emc=edit_mbae_20220418&instance_id=58747&nl=morning-briefing%3A-asia-pacific-edition&productCode=MBAE&regi_id=83729275&segment_id=89494&te=1&uri=nyt%3A%2F%2Fnewsletter%2F817202e2-5cae-560f-b716-5e11784a6904&user_id=1e518bbbdae79eaae8caa3f078cbb8f2
[I attach the Worldometer for reference] 
Old (Downunder) Tone
 

I believe the deaths are around 20 Million

[Friends just call me Ross]

1 hour ago, Dustparticle said:

I believe the deaths are around 20 Million

I believe the Covid deaths have been grossly UNDER reported, too.  

[Jay D]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/09/01/1918-flu-pandemic-end/

 

 

Some quotes that show that some scientists are acknowledging the time in which we live but only we know are the last days!

....

 

“We are living in a pandemic era that began around 1918,” Taubenberger wrote with Fauci and Morens back in 2009 for the New England Journal of Medicine. “Ever since 1918, this tenacious virus has drawn on a bag of evolutionary tricks to survive.” 

 

"Descendants of the 1918 H1N1 virus make up the influenza viruses we’re fighting today.

 

“The 1918 flu is still with us, in that sense,” said Ann Reid, the executive director of the National Center for Science Education who successfully sequenced the genetic makeup of the 1918 influenza virus in the 1990s. “It never went away.”"

 

One of the biggest scandals in history is that governments only classified certain outbreaks as pandemics in isolated parts of the time of the end, making it seem like pestilences aren't as prevalent and that Bible prophecy isn't true, but on the contrary! Pestilences have existed every year since 1914, and particularly 1919 onwards! We were right all along. It took Satan's system 100 years later to admit this scandal with no apologies. What do we think of this? I find it faith strengthening

 

 

[Loopy]

In Marquette county, about 40-45 miles or so from me, I saw this article on social media. Cancelling a program due to increase in corona numbers.  It hasn’t left Michigan yet. 
 

https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/2022/04/22/marquette-choral-society-concerts-postponed/?fbclid=IwAR0JtpAwM3uthHS4txTJf_QyIlnoSlZDw3qIZCKhJrMRUEk25ao7yjzAiDo
 

MARQUETTE, Mich. (WLUC) - Due to an increase in COVID-19 cases, the Marquette Choral Society has postponed its performances this weekend at Kaufman Auditorium.

[Hugh O'D]

On 4/19/2022 at 6:36 PM, Jay D said:

Pestilences have existed every year since 1914, and particularly 1919 onwards! We were right all along. It took Satan's system 100 years later to admit this scandal with no apologies. What do we think of this? I find it faith strengthening

Agreed. A few times when discussing Luke 21:11 I'd try to highlight the winter flu season killing people every year and I'd just get blank looks so it's nice to get this officially confirmed.

 

Now I eventually discovered that one reason for the blank looks was people didn't know what "pestilences" meant so I now clarify that word, but I can also quote the scientists now. Good point, thanks @Jay D

[sully313]

13 hours ago, Loopy said:

In Marquette county, about 40-45 miles or so from me, I saw this article on social media. Cancelling a program due to increase in corona numbers.  It hasn’t left Michigan yet. 
 

https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/2022/04/22/marquette-choral-society-concerts-postponed/?fbclid=IwAR0JtpAwM3uthHS4txTJf_QyIlnoSlZDw3qIZCKhJrMRUEk25ao7yjzAiDo
 

MARQUETTE, Mich. (WLUC) - Due to an increase in COVID-19 cases, the Marquette Choral Society has postponed its performances this weekend at Kaufman Auditorium.

Im from detroit. State wide cases are up from 750 per day to 1500 per day with the majority of cases being by me in the metro area. Strange marquette county with a whopping 5 new cases per day (over the past 7 days) would close things down as that is about as low as you can get. Wayne county (the county detroit is in) has 320 cases per day over the past 7 days and things are opening up constantly and our congregation has had no cases since we got back to in person meetings. It hasnt left michigan, but as for marquette county having 5 cases per day the past week thats like a house at the end of the block and the whole rest of the county is fine. I know theres more to it than that, but yeah, marquette is doing very well currently. Michigan case rates are very very very low

[hatcheckgirl]

I found this article interesting especially in the light of us going back to in-person meetings. 

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-27/cdc-omicron-covid-infections-children/101017904

"Three out of every four US children have been infected with the coronavirus and more than half of all Americans have signs of previous infections, according to a report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

 

The researchers examined blood samples from more than 200,000 Americans and looked for virus-fighting antibodies made from infections, not vaccines.

 

They found that signs of past infection rose dramatically between December and February, when the more contagious Omicron variant surged through the US.

 

For Americans of all ages, about 34 per cent had signs of prior infection in December. Just two months later, 58 per cent did. The percentage of those 17 and under with antibodies rose from about 45 per cent in December to about 75 per cent in February.

 

Many COVID-19 infections are mild enough that patients do not seek care or confirmatory lab tests.

CDC officials say they plan to release a study soon that estimates that in recent months there were three infections for every reported case."