Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[Witness1970]

On 11/8/2021 at 7:19 PM, vern said:

I.ve been told natural immunity persons shouldn.t.get the vaccine... Certian risk factors..

 

Sophia?

The term "natural immunity" is misleading.  Some people use it to mean post-covid immunity, but immunity after being vaccinated is also "natural immunity."  They both use the same immune system which Jehovah created to protect against the disease.  We seem to be stuck with the Anti-vaxxers use of the term "natural immunity" since it is so pervasive.

 

More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies

“Natural immunity” fades faster than vaccine immunity, particularly after mild infection

“Natural immunity alone” is only half as effective as natural immunity plus vaccination

 

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/natural-immunity-covid-19/

[Shawnster]

3 hours ago, Honeybarrel said:

This thread does allow discussion does it not? 

Within limits.

 

In light of the recent directions given to us in the past couple of updates, jwtalk.net now limits the discussion about the vaccine and alternatives.  

 

We ask our members to now seriously consider WHY they want to share a particular article, video, or opinion. If the motivation is the feeling that "people need to know the truth behind this poisonous vaccine and the government's evil agenda," then we ask for those negative and divisive comments be kept to one's self. 

 

This is not the place to rally people against the vaccine and cause them to "wake up and change their minds." 

 

 

[runner92]

On 11/10/2021 at 7:42 AM, Shawnster said:

Within limits.

 

In light of the recent directions given to us in the past couple of updates, jwtalk.net now limits the discussion about the vaccine and alternatives.  

 

We ask our members to now seriously consider WHY they want to share a particular article, video, or opinion. If the motivation is the feeling that "people need to know the truth behind this poisonous vaccine and the government's evil agenda," then we ask for those negative and divisive comments be kept to one's self. 

 

This is not the place to rally people against the vaccine and cause them to "wake up and change their minds." 

 

 

 

Honest question: Is allowing blatantly pro-vaccine material here not just the other side of the coin? 

[Friends just call me Ross]

1 hour ago, runner92 said:

 

Honest question: Is allowing blatantly pro-vaccine material here not just the other side of the coin? 

The terms "pro" and "anti" are divisive and are based more on politics than science.

 

Jesus' Faithful and Discreet Slave lovingly lead by example.  They are motivated by love for Jehovah, His Word and His high regard for the sanctity of life.

 

Medical decisions, that do NOT involve Jehovah's command to abstain from eating blood, are PERSONAL choices.

 

The superior authorities have requested that ALL who are able to take the vaccine be vaccinated.

 

There is no Scriptural reason for Jehovah's people to NOT comply with this request.  

 

Allergies and auto-immune disorders May prevent some from being vaccinated and that is THEIR choice to make.

 

Posts that you refer to as being "blatantly pro vaccine"

are viewed as being in compliance with the direction we are receiving, first and foremost, from Jesus' Faithful and Discreet Slave both by their words and their example and, secondly, the superior authorities.

 

Posts you refer to as being "the coin" are not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 11, 2021 by Friends just call me Ross

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, runner92 said:

 

Honest question: Is allowing blatantly pro-vaccine material here not just the other side of the coin? 

Trying to convince someone to get the vaccine or vilify them after they make it clear they do not want the vaccine is, actually, the same side of the coin. It is just as divisive to make our friends feel bad for their decisions that are in harmony with Jehovah's direction. 

 

Elders have received the following direction:

 

The recent Governing Body updates 7 and 8 reveal their thinking on this matter. 

 

Romans 13:1-5 remind Christians to be in subjection to the superior authorities and this includes their instructions and directions in regards vaccines and other mandates. 

 

Romans 16:17 reminds elders to keep an eye on those who cause divisions. In this case division would be anything in opposition to the superior authorities direction 

 

 

By definition negative comments are negative. Positive comments are positive. 

 

To this end and in harmony with this direction, along with the recent GB updates, jwtalk.net has taken a harder line in limiting negative and discouraging pandemic comments.  

 

We understand some find the vaccine objectionable.  That is their choice.  We simply are not allowing our site to become a soap box for ones who wish to rage against the attempts made to curb the pandemic. 

 

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Friends just call me Ross said:

The superior authorities have requested that ALL who are able to take the vaccine be vaccinated.

 

There is no Scriptural reason for Jehovah's people to NOT comply with this request.  

This, of course, varies by government. In the United States the covid vaccine is not a government mandate. Christians can rightly choose for themselves and either choice is legal and acceptable to the government. In a country where vaccines are mandatory, a Christian will be obedient to the superior authorities. 

 

On the other hand, regardless of the country and the laws, a Christian would not express opposition to the governments recommendations. To do so would mean taking a stand in opposition to the government. 

[zoebarry]

Why has Pfizer changed the formulation of its Covid-19 Vaccine for Children to include an ingredient that stabilises people suffering a Heart Attack?

This formulation HAS NOT BEEN TESTED!!

Link to FDA document on FDA website. Page 14

 

in short, a heart attack medication is being used as a base of the shot, INSTEAD of saline....Pray for the children

 

 

Edited November 11, 2021 by Shawnster
Made headline more manageable size

[runner92]

2 hours ago, Friends just call me Ross said:

The terms "pro" and "anti" are divisive and are based more on politics than science.

 

Jesus' Faithful and Discreet Slave lovingly lead by example.  They are motivated by love for Jehovah, His Word and His high regard for the sanctity of life.

 

Medical decisions, that do NOT involve Jehovah's command to abstain from eating blood, are PERSONAL choices.

 

The superior authorities have requested that ALL who are able to take the vaccine be vaccinated.

 

There is no Scriptural reason for Jehovah's people to NOT comply with this request.  

 

Allergies and auto-immune disorders May prevent some from being vaccinated and that is THEIR choice to make.

 

Posts that you refer to as being "blatantly pro vaccine"

are viewed as being in compliance with the direction we are receiving, first and foremost, from Jesus' Faithful and Discreet Slave both by their words and their example and, secondly, the superior authorities.

 

Posts you refer to as being "the coin" are not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But the direction from the branch is to make the best decision for your family based on your circumstances. It's not to take the vaccine. 

 

[runner92]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Trying to convince someone to get the vaccine or vilify them after they make it clear they do not want the vaccine is, actually, the same side of the coin. It is just as divisive to make our friends feel bad for their decisions that are in harmony with Jehovah's direction. 

 

Elders have received the following direction:

 

The recent Governing Body updates 7 and 8 reveal their thinking on this matter. 

 

Romans 13:1-5 remind Christians to be in subjection to the superior authorities and this includes their instructions and directions in regards vaccines and other mandates. 

 

Romans 16:17 reminds elders to keep an eye on those who cause divisions. In this case division would be anything in opposition to the superior authorities direction 

 

 

By definition negative comments are negative. Positive comments are positive. 

 

To this end and in harmony with this direction, along with the recent GB updates, jwtalk.net has taken a harder line in limiting negative and discouraging pandemic comments.  

 

We understand some find the vaccine objectionable.  That is their choice.  We simply are not allowing our site to become a soap box for ones who wish to rage against the attempts made to curb the pandemic. 

 

 

 

I just don't think it's fair to make statements like this while people still use terms like anti-vaxxers (worldly divisive terms) to describe people who are concerned about the effects of a vaccine and think these people are crazy and receive nearly zero pushback. I see a double standard on this often. 

[Sofia]

2 hours ago, zoebarry said:

Why has Pfizer changed the formulation of its Covid-19 Vaccine for Children to include an ingredient that stabilises people suffering a Heart Attack?

This formulation HAS NOT BEEN TESTED!!

Link to FDA document on FDA website. Page 14

 

in short, a heart attack medication is being used as a base of the shot, INSTEAD of saline....Pray for the children

 

 

Just to clarify what TRIS buffer serves for:

Edited November 11, 2021 by Shawnster
edited quote

[Amygdala]

In addition to Sofia's posting, this website https://www.drugs.com/cdi/tromethamine.html

 , tromethamine is drug classified as under "Minerals and electrolytes".

 

If sodium chloride and potassium chloride along with saline is being now replaced by tromethamine, it might have the same but more balancing purpose in mineral, cellular and nerve function.

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, runner92 said:

 

 

I just don't think it's fair to make statements like this while people still use terms like anti-vaxxers (worldly divisive terms) to describe people who are concerned about the effects of a vaccine and think these people are crazy and receive nearly zero pushback. I see a double standard on this often. 

Then quit posting anti vaccine propaganda. For example :

 

2 hours ago, zoebarry said:

Link to FDA document on FDA website. Page 14

 

in short, a heart attack medication is being used as a base of the shot, INSTEAD of saline....Pray for the children

 

 

 

You are very vocal in your objections to the vaccine.  Your position is crystal clear. Nobody here is telling you to accept the vaccine.  Why do you persist in continuing to share negative articles about the vaccine?  What is the purpose of sharing this? What is your goal? What do you hope to accomplish?

 

 

[Hope]

1 hour ago, Lieblingskind said:

In addition to Sofia's posting, this website https://www.drugs.com/cdi/tromethamine.html

 , tromethamine is drug classified as under "Minerals and electrolytes".

 

If sodium chloride and potassium chloride along with saline is being now replaced by tromethamine, it might have the same but more balancing purpose in mineral, cellular and nerve function.

So this is not a "medication" per se - it's simply another base for the medicine to be delivered... but even more balanced for our cells than saline.  It sounds like an improvement to me

[Ludwika]

And the reason for doing this is probably because some young men seem to be having a rare reaction that temporarily affects the heart. Reports that I've so far read say that this undesirable effect is temporary, but obviously unwanted. 

[Shawnster]

3 hours ago, runner92 said:

 

But the direction from the branch is to make the best decision for your family based on your circumstances. It's not to take the vaccine. 

 

And the direction also is to stop speaking derogatorily about the vaccine.  One doesn't like it? That's fine.  One wants to convince others it's wrong? That's not appropriate for a Christian to to.  If elders have been doing such, they have been instructed to stop immediately. 

 

This board is simply applying the example set before us in both the Governing Body updates and the direction given to the congregation elders.

Edited November 11, 2021 by Shawnster

[Honeybarrel]

8 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

And the direction also is to stop speaking derogatorily about the vaccine.  One don't like it? That's fine.  One want to convince others it's wrong? That's not appropriate for a Christian to to.  If elders have been doing such, they have been instructed to stop immediately. 

 

This board is simply applying the example set before us in both the Governing Body updates and the direction given to the congregation elders.

I’m confused Shawn truly I am. Not by the FDS; but by this conversation thread and it’s title. What are we allowed to say? I’ve not yet seen anything ‘anti’ (discouraging or telling us what to do) only informed in the eyes of the beholder (so it’s subjective as most things on here are).

 

So if we want show something neutral- is this ok?
Something medically explanatory or data centric in support of vaccine- is this ok?  
Something medically explanatory or data centric in support of those thousands doctors / patients who choose to wait for more data / time for safety - is this ok?

please clarify Thankyou.

 

with regards to personal choice yes it’s private and none of us should presume to influence anyone. 

Before any brother presumes to label me I would hand on heart like to say that my motivation is love AND anxiety over future consequences. I would much rather be wrong and it would be SO much easier for me if I just jumped in and got it like the 80% have. I could go on holiday again! I could go theatres again! I don’t want anyone to be unwell. I pray for Gods kingdom to come soon so all will have perfect health. I pray in time we will all still be United in worship.. even if not in health matters. 

 

[Shawnster]

6 hours ago, Honeybarrel said:

What are we allowed to say? 

... 
please clarify Thankyou.

Legitimate news articles are fine as long as they are legitimate articles and not some random YouTuber or blogger promoting fake news. 

 

Ranting against government mandates (which I've not seen lately) is not tolerated.  Likewise, pushing an agenda or strongly negative vaccine bias through one's personal comments is also discouraged.  Surely it is possible to discuss legitimate negative vaccine news without becoming personally involved. 

 

Jesus said out of the hearts abundance the mouth speaks. If all one does is share negative vaccine links, then one's personal opinions might become apparent.  One comes across as promoting an agenda. 

 

Lastly, keep in mind this topic began long before the GB made their feelings and direction on such topics known. 

Edited November 12, 2021 by Shawnster

[Sofia]

2 hours ago, Hope said:

So this is not a "medication" per se - it's simply another base for the medicine to be delivered... but even more balanced for our cells than saline.  It sounds like an improvement to me

exactly. And its brand new, first they said they were given 1/3 of the adult dose, now they have decide to improve the buffer. Just to clarify: sodium chloride or potassium chloride are "salt". Some thing we eat every day. Not dangerous it self in small amounts 😉

[walkr2]

I shared a post back in September:  FDA advisory panel rejects widespread Pfizer booster shot
 
So, no, I don't fully understand the push for the booster.  The way [mention=12669]Sofia[/mention] explains it is that the antibodies do die off, but your T-cells keep the memory.  So, yes, 6 months after the vaccine your antibody count will be lower than right after the shot, but the same is true even if you catch Covid - 6 months or so after you recover your antibody count is lower.  That's the way our bodies work.  The antibodies are not always active and they don't need to be.  When the war is over the soldiers go home, but the body remembers how to make soldiers for any future invasion.
 
What the boosters do is put new soldiers in your body.  Once again you have active anti bodies that are immediately ready to fight the covid virus if you encounter it.  The active antibodies may prevent you from contracting covid.  
 
I'm sure [mention=12669]Sofia[/mention] can explain it better.
 

No, no that is a PERFECT analysis of how these things work! Most likely, CDC or WHO, couldn't explain it better! Love it

Voni in NC

[walkr2]

I am not sure if I like sound of this...hmmm (boosters for many years)
 
The announcement came as Victoria recorded 1173 new coronavirus cases and nine deaths on Sunday morning, with the peak pharmacy body suggesting Australians will be receiving vaccination boosters for years to come.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-records-1173-new-covid-19-cases-nine-deaths-20211107-p596n1.html

Wowee!!!!

Voni in NC

[Lance]

Well we know the direction that organization is going in… especially after update 9 and letters to elders on this subject.. if you are venting your personal conspiracy theories .. cease and desist .. now 
We know the direction that some in this world are going in ..that every thing from big pharma is from the Satan the devil and is tied into some huge conspiracy to negate peoples freedom of choice and subjugate them …and on and on it goes .. and some of our dear brothers have bought into this.

 

It is not without cause that we have updates from the governing body in this very topic and as we have seen over time they have given wise advice for the protection of the whole brotherhood… 

 

We may disagree with their direction but as a forum policy we will be following the direction of the governing  body.. that means we will be moderating contentious posts and posts that buy into the conspiracy drumbeat… 

You may feel stifled in your freedom of speech here  on some aspects of this subject but enough is enough. This will not be a platform for  conspiracy theories …Facebook is a more appropriate place to vent those ideals… there you can revel in fellow comrades in arms. 😳

[Ludwika]

I really liked the point made in the update: would Jehovah really allow the whole world wide brotherhood to be steered in a direction that is harmful? No, he cares for us, and for our health and wellness. 

I'm paraphrasing of course! 😄

[New World Explorer]

9 minutes ago, Ludwika said:

I really liked the point made in the update: would Jehovah really allow the whole world wide brotherhood to be steered in a direction that is harmful? No, he cares for us, and for our health and wellness. 

I'm paraphrasing of course! 😄

This is the line I used when talking to my wife after earlier updates.

Jehovah is a "lover" of life and would never ever give us directions that harms us (in short term and long term) 

[hatcheckgirl]

What I posted earlier was straight from my local needs part this past week. It showed me how our elders have taken to heart the direction coming from the GB. It showed me Jehovah’s loving concern for us. We obviously needed this update 9 to help the stragglers see what is the best way to go. Apart from medical exemptions, it’s clear what the GB is showing us. 
 

[CHecker]

This also reminds me when the GB warned us that "we may be given direction we personally don't understand or agree with", but what will we do? Keep with Jehovah's direction or defy it? We've now got the new update on the vaccine that firmly has Jehovah's blessing, we're being given direction that clashes with what some think but it's clear how JAH feels. Stay with the chariot or risk losing it all.

Edited November 13, 2021 by bagwell1987